stroker kits on this engine are a waste (save the Toda thread)

[themadscientist]

Resolve: Stroker kits are a phenomenal waste of money on this engine and arguably most small engines except in cases of incredibly light cars where single digit increases in horsepower or torque figures truly demonstrate in use or some odd spec series racing where forced induction is not allowed.

A person would spend at least twice, likely much more than the cost of an off the shelf forced induction solution by ripping their engine down to install one of these and you can port it and polish it and balance it and and dry sump it and pour virgin tears on it , whatever and still not be able to beat a properly installed and tuned turbo or supercharger kit.

Now, to clarify, it is you money and you are going to spend it as you will and while I find it wasteful, if you are going in eyes open, know these facts, are not actually trying to beat an FI setup, but just really like the freak factor of the whole thing and you execute it well, that's cool. I totally get doing weird things just to do them and will join the chorus of those lauding your build.

Additionally, if you boring and stroking this engine to within an inch of its life is accompanied with strapping on the nastiest turbo you can spin, obviously, you are on that next level and it tracks with what you are doing, insanity, and, again, I love you.

People like that are few and far between, though, so, if you are going to sit there and opine that doing all this work just to still be really slow, but not REALLY really slow, you are a fool and as the old saying goes, you and your money have been parted. I will clown on you mercilessly and invite you to go out and defend your assertions at the track against your next door neighbor's mom's grocery getter and you better hope it is curvy as hell too.

Don't waste my time with emotional BS arguments about "you don't get it." First, I do get the appeal of NA, I've had some fun ones and the scream is nice and, oh, a perfectly tuned set of sidedrafts is a thing of beauty, but as my 1.8 Silvia got beat time and time again by that 1.6 Civic, the fact remained that some engines respond better and are worth the time and a religious adherence to uber lightness is required to make all that work, well work, if you intend to go faster than other people, or, fast, at all. This is not that engine and this is not that car. You bolt your 2.1-3 in a BRZ that is stripped to raw steel with every removable panel made of carbon fiber, no accessories, climate control, hell seats, save for a featherlight bucket for the driver now we can talk. Oh wait, that kid in the stock FRS behind you cranked the boost up on his Greddy kit, now you lose again. Dumbass.

Lots of people want more power out of this car. I understand. While it has yet to frustrate me to the point of action, I would have dropped some more money on the table for an STI something with 250hp and a flat torque curve. Stroker kits are not the way to real power if that is your goal. They are fun to look at, but are really just like a girl with three boobs. They get your attention, but they don't outperform a two boob model.

Cue V calling me a fascist.

[Teseo]

You dont get it, still

[CSG Mike]

Have you ever owned a high output/liter NA engine?

[HaDDeS]

Clearly, you know nothing about stroker kits on this unit, and don't even understand how they can compliment a forced induction setup.

I don't think you want to be convinced, but let me tell you, a 0.098 cc increase with the right forged internals offered +30whp and 40nm of torque, and it could be even more if i wanted to crank up the boost ... or if I decided to rev over 7.300

Yes the capacity increase is marginal, but the nature of the elements make the difference.

On the side note of the "light is right" debate, yes you are absolutely right, but let me tell you this car with over 500hp crank and 500nm crank, gives a fairly hairy driving experience. Just respect and accept not everyone might have the same ideal vision of cars as yours.

So please talk about what you know, what you've worked on, or what you drove and please spare us your non educated rants.

You say you are in Japan, you should know better ... you very should, talk to Phoenix Powers, talk to Twosystems, Talk to TopSecrets, talk to the guys at Runduce, HKS Kansai, SCREEN, name them ... We all know what's what, because that is how they build their reputation, how we make the numbers, and trust me, WE know strokers work. We very do.

[2much]

Why do you care so much about what everyone else is doing to their own cars? Get over it

[airjonny]

What if I told you, not everyone wants a FI build on this car. I say the more hardcore N/A builds, the better. Of course it's not the highest hp/$, but if you wanna play that game, you can easily ask why you want to do a FI build when there's Mustangs, Camaros, Caymans, used vettes etc.

[humfrz]

Oh, my, this thread is going to go on for a spell .......


humfrz

[HaDDeS]

@airjonny , don't get me wrong, I agree with you a 2.3 Toda stroker N/A is a great setup, but for instance the 2.1 HKS stroker is only there to compliment a S/C setup ... regardless, there is no such thing as "strokers are BS".

There is always better hp to the $ solution, trust me i know that, for what I've thrown in my BRZ i could have bought a R35 ... but you know what ? I would do it over again the same, because it is just awesome, and it is "my car" the way i wanted it, and it is as respectable as someone else's who would like it stroked with a 2.3 N/A, or even bone stock ! what counts is the pleasre , We, You, I do get driving it , nothing about what some random guy think is "the best".

It is not about how much you spend, what matters is what you want to achieve, yes you could do much more for much less with something else, but it would be "something else".

Strokers work great, and its just the beginning on this platform ... as always haters will hate.

I work very closely with the most famous and competent tuning shops in Japan, they know their shit, and when I see the Runduce monster 86 on the fuji, let me tell you, yes Strokers do work ...

SCREEN is now buidling a 2.3 Toda N/A setup dedicated to track, I will document that as soon as it is finished, it will be a beast as well.

[airjonny]

Originally Posted by HaDDeS

@airjonny , don't get me wrong, I agree with you a 2.3 Toda stroker N/A is a great setup, but for instance the 2.1 HKS stroker is only there to compliment a S/C setup ... regardless, there is no such thing as "strokers are BS".

There is always better hp to the $ solution, trust me i know that, for what I've thrown in my BRZ i could have bought a R35 ... but you know what ? I would do it over again the same, because it is just awesome, and it is "my car" the way i wanted it, and it is as respectable as someone else's who would like it stroked with a 2.3 N/A, or even bone stock ! what counts is the pleasre , We, You, I do get driving it , nothing about what some random guy think is "the best".

It is not about how much you spend, what matters is what you want to achieve, yes you could do much more for much less with something else, but it would be "something else".

Strokers work great, and its just the beginning on this platform ... as always haters will hate.

I work very closely with the most famous and competent tuning shops in Japan, they know their shit, and when I see the Runduce monster 86 on the fuji, let me tell you, yes Strokers do work ...

SCREEN is now buidling a 2.3 Toda N/A setup dedicated to track, I will document that as soon as it is finished, it will be a beast as well.

Very true. And I can wait to see what SCREEN does. Graduation is coming up and I can't wait to get this car. Over time, I too want to have a beast of a N/A engine.

[Captain Snooze]

1/ This is thread is going to be full of opinion.
2/ People's opinions differ
3/ Opinions don't have to be rational. Actually, just by being human will disqualify you from being rational 100% of the time.
4/ Why do you care what people do with their own money?
5/ New cars are a waste of money
6/ Any mods are a waste of money
7/ I enjoy seeing things done that aren't done very often
8/

[humfrz]

Yes, but it was so much fun ...... messen with the engine.

Back in the day, I built this one, to blow off flathead Fords ..... and it did that quite nicely.

Then in 1955, Chevrolet introduced a V-8 ..... aaand, you old timers know the ...rest of the story.

Just sayen .......


humfrz

(someone escort that old man outta here ..... )

[GT86_PRAGUE]

Originally Posted by themadscientist

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Don't waste my time with emotional BS arguments about "you don't get it." ...

[juliog]

mad scientist is mad

[themadscientist]

Delicious!

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Have you ever owned a high output/liter NA engine?

You have, and I don't mean the twin. That other F motor you have is the real deal.

Originally Posted by HaDDeS

@airjonny , don't get me wrong, I agree with you a 2.3 Toda stroker N/A is a great setup, but for instance the 2.1 HKS stroker is only there to compliment a S/C setup ... regardless, there is no such thing as "strokers are BS".

There is always better hp to the $ solution, trust me i know that, for what I've thrown in my BRZ i could have bought a R35 ... but you know what ? I would do it over again the same, because it is just awesome, and it is "my car" the way i wanted it, and it is as respectable as someone else's who would like it stroked with a 2.3 N/A, or even bone stock ! what counts is the pleasre , We, You, I do get driving it , nothing about what some random guy think is "the best".

It is not about how much you spend, what matters is what you want to achieve, yes you could do much more for much less with something else, but it would be "something else".

Strokers work great, and its just the beginning on this platform ... as always haters will hate.

I work very closely with the most famous and competent tuning shops in Japan, they know their shit, and when I see the Runduce monster 86 on the fuji, let me tell you, yes Strokers do work ...

SCREEN is now buidling a 2.3 Toda N/A setup dedicated to track, I will document that as soon as it is finished, it will be a beast as well.

Sendai, oh I hate you. To have a somewhat legit drag strip near you. This place sucks for, well, anything, but the weakest gymkhana imaginable.

When I see any of these strokers holding their own around Tskuba against ANY boosted 2.0s I'll buy it. Until then, unless you are talking about Amemiya's 20B periports or one of Rising's L-gatas, I get sleepy.

Originally Posted by 2much

Why do you care so much about what everyone else is doing to their own cars? Get over it

Why do you care if I care? I invite you to take your own advice.