2016 SCION FRS NEWS....

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

That's a fair point, we will see if that comes to fruition, hopefully as it's software controlled the rest of us can gain access to that capability eventually. I wonder how it will affect the EBD given what we've seen CSG post.

This guy made a OBD passthrough device that will do this...if I don't get everything off I am buying this

https://www.facebook.com/86nannycontroller?fref=ts

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by stevesnj

This guy made a OBD passthrough device that will do this...if I don't get everything off I am buying this

https://www.facebook.com/86nannycontroller?fref=ts

I have no idea what the US law says but Canadian would not permit them to remove everything and there would be a minimum requirement even when "off". If the bypass you linked works it is probably the only way to get to 100% off.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by stevesnj

This guy made a OBD passthrough device that will do this...if I don't get everything off I am buying this

https://www.facebook.com/86nannycontroller?fref=ts

Problem with that is as it plugs into the OBD port and must remain plugged in to be active it removes the opportunity to datalog which is typically more important to the average person interested in running this car at 100% as logging oil temperatures, knock, and driving inputs is more beneficial.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I have no idea what the US law says but Canadian would not permit them to remove everything and there would be a minimum requirement even when "off". If the bypass you linked works it is probably the only way to get to 100% off.

It's advertised as the same results as pedal dancing, as long as it is advertised for off-road use only you can get away with a lot in the U.S. when it comes to vehicle performance, i.e. a track vehicle that's never registered and driven on public roads will never have to pass and government safety/emissions tests. Straight pipes and custom built ECU, why not.

Removing the ABS fuse removes all possibility of the ECU applying brakes, unless I am misinformed, disabling any form of traction control leaving the car "pure". And it's a lot cheaper than buying a dongle or a new car...

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

It's advertised as the same results as pedal dancing, as long as it is advertised for off-road use only you can get away with a lot in the U.S. when it comes to vehicle performance, i.e. a track vehicle that's never registered and driven on public roads will never have to pass and government safety/emissions tests. Straight pipes and custom built ECU, why not.

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Yes. But... get into an accident on the road while using it and if they find out you are screwed!

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Yes. But... get into an accident on the road while using it and if they find out you are screwed!

Who's they and how would they screw you?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Who's they and how would they screw you?

Mainly insurance. I have also heard rumours that people in the US like to sue each other on occasion.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Mainly insurance. I have also heard rumours that people in the US like to sue each other on occasion.

Fair play.

Based on my limited knowledge and first hand experience an out of control car is an out of control car, you'd be at fault regardless of traction control settings, disabling a safety feature is not going to make you more at fault. Insurance company won't care and there are hundreds of thousands of cars without ABS or TC on the road daily.

Only way I could see this coming into play is if there is a criminal case and investigation likely only to occur if there is a fatality.

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Problem with that is as it plugs into the OBD port and must remain plugged in to be active it removes the opportunity to datalog which is typically more important to the average person interested in running this car at 100%

The builder said he did test it with a datalogger and it worked. It's just a passthrough.

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Yes. But... get into an accident on the road while using it and if they find out you are screwed!

If you purposely disable or remove safety features in a vehicle that puts the liability on the car owner. Same if you remove the sway bars.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

It's advertised as the same results as pedal dancing, as long as it is advertised for off-road use only you can get away with a lot in the U.S. when it comes to vehicle performance, i.e. a track vehicle that's never registered and driven on public roads will never have to pass and government safety/emissions tests. Straight pipes and custom built ECU, why not.

Removing the ABS fuse removes all possibility of the ECU applying brakes, unless I am misinformed, disabling any form of traction control leaving the car "pure". And it's a lot cheaper than buying a dongle or a new car...

just fyi-- the bolded statement is not true. the various government agencies(nhtsa, port authority/customs, and dot) are cracking down on products brought into the U.S. under that clause. it is still plenty easy to sneak products into the country, but the nhtsa/dot does not consider 'for off road use only' a viable claim to be made for any product that is not obviously for offroad use only.
ie. a light bar, or 3' travel offroad shocks would both pass for an off road product, but a tow hook that screws into the toyobaru, or a mcpherson strut assembly made to fit a civic would not qualify because neither vehicle is generally used off road.

specifically, there have been a number of companies in the past that have attempted to import halogen bulb base hid bulbs into the country under the 'for offroad use only' clause, and the nhsta has rejected all of those and have heavily fined the companies because of it.

this is a very similar principle to the chicken tax on pickup trucks/utility vans. any vehicle imported into the U.S. that could, might, or will carry materials instead of people is subject to it. it's why ford imports all transit vans as passenger vans and then converts them into utility vans in a separate facility just outside the port after they've been accepted at customs. or why the subaru brat had nearly-useless plastic bucket seats in the bed...

[Devante]

Originally Posted by Veloist

Lol I guess the differences can only be noticed in person. What's odd is that the 2015 FR-S pic has the same mileage & time as the 2016 FR-S picture lol

2015
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2016
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It's the same picture, with a different head unit photoshopped in.

Look at the folds and indentations on the shifter boot and the e-brake boot.

[Veloist]

Btw here is what UK is getting for MY2016

TOYOTA GT86: HAPPY NEW GEAR

The Toyota GT86 isn’t a car for standing still, so it’s no surprise that it’s raced ahead to mark a “new year” with a refreshed line-up and style detail changes. At heart it remains every inch the best driver’s car to be had for the money – and now for even less cash, thanks to a price reduction.

New wheels and new colours lead the features list, with the range-topping Aero model running on gloss black 18-inch rims and available with a hot GT86 Orange paint finish. In line with customer preference, Aero is now exclusively available with six-speed manual transmission. The larger alloys are also newly available as an option on the core GT86 model.

The Primo model, entry point to the range, moves on to 16-inch alloys and comes with a £300 lower price tag. An on-going customer offer is available, adding a further £505 saving to deliver an on-the-road price of £22,195. Pricing for other models in the range is unchanged.

What has not changed is the fundamentally brilliant GT86 dynamic package: its proven combination of a normally aspirated 2.0-litre boxer engine, low centre of gravity, rear-wheel drive and a beautifully balanced chassis continues to deliver the exhilarating and rewarding driving experience that earned it Top Gear magazine’s Car of the Year title. The engine now complies with Euro 6 emissions standards, with no change to its fuel economy and CO2 performance.

This is not the end of the GT86 story for 2015: a new special edition model will be joining the range this summer, details to be announced soon.

The 2016 GT86 is available to order now with first deliveries to customers in mid-July.

[raven1231]

Hmmm well have to wait and see on the special edition lol

[cab33]

http://www.scion.com/

The 2016 is buildable now, showing the new blue.