What is your DOC fee?

[civicdrivr]

My dealer charges a $499 doc fee, but Im going to negotiate that down.

[aznsensazian]

Originally Posted by TRD-X

OK Southeast Toyota and the dealer fees are this.

Delivery, Processing, and Handling Fee: $795.00

Dealer Closing Fee: $299.25

Sales Tax: $300.00

License Fee: $35.00

Total: $1,429.25

And the FR-S coming in has every option Southeast Toyota could put on it like mud flaps, window tint, upgraded radio, carpet floor mats, pin stripe, and Southeast Toyota guard (BS paint protection) so lets just say about $2,000.00 in installed options.

If I buy this one I'll be lucky to walk away with a $30,000.00 bill.

I might just wait a few months for all the "New car" shock to be over.

I had to pay these dealer fees and 599 doc fee! It was so freaking crazy and I tried to negotiate only for them to say they are selling it at sticker. I ended up getting all the port installed options that I didn't really want, dealer fees, and doc fee. My OTD price ended up being just a little below 30000. Damn stealerships!

[raphymartinez]

We charge a $299 doc fee and I've had customers walk out saying they won't buy the car if we don't throw that fee in.
By Scions pure price rules that would be negotiating so I let them walk. They usually get ti their car and then come back when they see that we aren't chasing them for the deal. Rules are rules.
Same goes for throwing in free accessories and such. Until Scion decides to do away with Pure Price we will continue to follow the rules without taking advantage of our customers and marking up the crap out of the cars.

[Alias]

Originally Posted by raphymartinez

without taking advantage of our customers and marking up the crap out of the cars.

Because tossing in $300 extra for filling out a couple pages of paperwork (aka doing your job) isn't marking up the cars...

[raphymartinez]

Originally Posted by Alias

Because tossing in $300 extra for filling out a couple pages of paperwork (aka doing your job) isn't marking up the cars...

That is a standard fee that we charge on every single car sold weather it's new or pre-owned. So no it is NOT marking up the car.
(glad to see you know everything that is involved in a car sale...)

[Alias]

Originally Posted by raphymartinez

That is a standard fee that we charge on every single car sold weather it's new or pre-owned. So no it is NOT marking up the car.
(glad to see you know everything that is involved in a car sale...)

So because you pocket $300 extra profit on top of what you already make off every single car you sell that makes it somehow magically not marking the car up?

I understand your logic... lets apply this in another manner: you make absolutely ridiculous and illogical statements, BUT every single one of your statements is absolutely ridiculous and illogical and therefore none of your statements are ridiculous because... all of them are?

[raphymartinez]

Originally Posted by Alias

So because you pocket $300 extra profit on top of what you already make off every single car you sell that makes it somehow magically not marking the car up?

I understand your logic... lets apply this in another manner: you make absolutely ridiculous and illogical statements, BUT every single one of your statements is absolutely ridiculous and illogical and therefore none of your statements are ridiculous because... all of them are?

Really guy. This isn't that type of forum. If you're going to be a troll go do it some place else. Now you're acting like we are the only dealership that has a doc fee when pretty much every dealership has them. Registering, titling and properly storing YOUR information are not things that come for free and no none of those are done by sales people. They are done by the accounting staff. Most of our doc fee goes towards that, an inspection sticker (which is only $30), cleaning and prep of the car and a full tank of gas. Is there a profit there? Of course there is. But it's not a magical number that we decided to add just to this car because it happens to be hot right now. That's my point of no additional markup on this particular car. But I can see that there is no reasoning with you so I'll leave it at that. I bet you're the guy that walks into a dealership and demands to see the invoice to then offer $1,000 under that because dealerships are supposed to be charities and not a profitable business.

[Big T]

All pure price means is the buyer can not negotiate the price down so everyone pays the "advertised price " which may be msrp or more. No invoice pricing for scion buyers. Kinda sucks.

[bestwheelbase]

Originally Posted by TRD-X

If I buy this one I'll be lucky to walk away with a $30,000.00 bill.

I might just wait a few months for all the "New car" shock to be over.

Same here.

[YinYang1980]

Originally Posted by raphymartinez

Really guy. This isn't that type of forum. If you're going to be a troll go do it some place else. Now you're acting like we are the only dealership that has a doc fee when pretty much every dealership has them. Registering, titling and properly storing YOUR information are not things that come for free and no none of those are done by sales people. They are done by the accounting staff. Most of our doc fee goes towards that, an inspection sticker (which is only $30), cleaning and prep of the car and a full tank of gas. Is there a profit there? Of course there is. But it's not a magical number that we decided to add just to this car because it happens to be hot right now. That's my point of no additional markup on this particular car. But I can see that there is no reasoning with you so I'll leave it at that. I bet you're the guy that walks into a dealership and demands to see the invoice to then offer $1,000 under that because dealerships are supposed to be charities and not a profitable business.

enought of bullsht, why the hell are we charged for freight and PDI, if you add 300$ doc fees on top of that?

you talk like the last saleman that sell me my jeep. we agree on an amount, then afterthat he keep adding "fees" for multiple reason. when i say to him, NO im not paying one cent more than what have been discussed, he deliver me the car with an empty fuel tank.

and what you are saying doesnt make any sens. WE, the customer, dont give a damn who fill what, if scion advertisse a price, then WE, the customer, expect to pay this amount + real and legal taxe. not more because we have to pay for the guy that drive the car from the boat to the truck, the truck to the dealer, the dealer to the car wash, the guy that do the pdi, the guy that fill the paper, the guy that say hello in the front desk. i dont know if you get what i mean, its none our business what is cost to make your dealer running, all WE care is, the price advertissed by scion.

[raphymartinez]

Originally Posted by YinYang1980

enought of bullsht, why the hell are we charged for freight and PDI, if you add 300$ doc fees on top of that?

you talk like the last saleman that sell me my jeep. we agree on an amount, then afterthat he keep adding "fees" for multiple reason. when i say to him, NO im not paying one cent more than what have been discussed, he deliver me the car with an empty fuel tank.

big difference here is that we do not "add" fees in the office. You are made aware of them when the price is presented to you by the salesperson.

Kinda weird how others have mentioned 5 and 6 hundred dollar doc fees but apparently ours at 299 is insulting.
i don't make up the fees and how much they are. I've bought several cars where I work and i've paid it every time. I don't like paying it just like u guys don't. But no matter where I buy a car it's there.

The OP asked what the Doc fees where for everyone and I gave an answer. The end.


Ps: We don't charge you freight. the manufacturer does (mostly because the cars won't magically appear on the lot, they could just make them more expensive and not tell you why. I much prefer that at least I know that the 795 or what ever it may be goes towards something. Not a single penny of that freight charge goes to the dealer, that's all manufacturer.
PDI? sorry, we don't have a separate PDI charge. I guess you can add that to what's built in to our doc fee?

[YinYang1980]

ok sorry, i become little bit agressive, did not wanted to make any attack on your business.

i just talk in general, not directly to you. i mean i find adding fees other than the one that scion advertise is kinda not acceptable in my vision.

anyway, at least, you let them know that you have that fees, not after 3hours of discussion.

edit: this is what, us, the customer we see on the canadian website.

Disclaimer
MSRP of $25,990 is for a mono spec Scion FR-S. MSRP does not include Freight and PDI of $1,495, license, insurance, registration, applicable taxes, levies and fees. Dealer may sell for less.

[raphymartinez]

Originally Posted by YinYang1980

ok sorry, i become little bit agressive, did not wanted to make any attack on your business.

i just talk in general, not directly to you. i mean i find adding fees other than the one that scion advertise is kinda not acceptable in my vision.

anyway, at least, you let them know that you have that fees, not after 3hours of discussion.

edit: this is what, us, the customer we see on the canadian website.

Disclaimer
MSRP of $25,990 is for a mono spec Scion FR-S. MSRP does not include Freight and PDI of $1,495, license, insurance, registration, applicable taxes, levies and fees. Dealer may sell for less.

No worries.
Makes sense now that you show me that in Canada they are charging a PDI fee. I have talked to Scion about this in the past and there is no way they can legally regulate fees (unfortunately)
So even though they tell you what the MSRP is they can't tell you what the dealership will add on top of that for they doc fee.
Then you have the issue of registration, tittle and inspection. Those vary by state and so Scion can't advertise a set number for those either
(that became apparent to me when the Pure lease was announced a while back, so we started calling it the "slightly opaque lease" as opposed to transparent which is what Scion was going for)
Too many variables for them to control.... they're trying for sure. But it's just not possible i guess.

[thill]

Originally Posted by Big T

All pure price means is the buyer can not negotiate the price down so everyone pays the "advertised price " which may be msrp or more. No invoice pricing for scion buyers. Kinda sucks.

Yep. Pure price is pure BS. Look what what many dealers in Florida are doing with the FR-S. Marking it up $6k then pulling the "pure price" bs so there is no negotiation...

Ridiculous...