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mav1178 · 05-20-2015, 12:18 PM

1) it's your toe settings, not the arm.
2) if you are ever worried about bolt movement, mark the rear camber washer against the arm so you have a point to measure against. just because you can torque the bolt more doesn't mean that something is actually moving. Like this:

3) see #1.
4) get an alignment before passing judgment.

-alex

wparsons · 05-20-2015, 12:58 PM

Keep in mind just how small the toe measurements are too. I have 0 front toe, and 1/16" total rear toe in (not per side). There's no way you can eyeball 1/32" per side, even 1/8" per side would be hard to eyeball.

DuMa · 05-20-2015, 03:36 PM

well im not claiming to say i adjusted toe and its aligned. In fact i hadnt even touched toe but i just know its out of spec.

judging on the comments here, im guessing everyone had their alignment guy torque or tighten the Camber bolt on the SPC Arm. No one did it themselves?

HATED1 · 05-20-2015, 04:03 PM

I'm sure everyone tightened everything down after it was installed. Unfortunately it's hard to eyeball a lot of the adjustments. You will be feeling better after the alignment

2016 Camaro SS · 05-20-2015, 04:15 PM

I torqued all the bolts to spec myself and got an alignment. These SPC arms work just fine and don't make a lot of noise.

Just because the wheel looks straight doesn't mean it's aligned. I guarantee your alignment is way off, most likely on toe.

mav1178 · 05-20-2015, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DuMa

judging on the comments here, im guessing everyone had their alignment guy torque or tighten the Camber bolt on the SPC Arm. No one did it themselves?

Did you not read my comment?

Just because you can tighten it more doesn't mean it is not tightened properly.

If you must know, I tightened mine perfectly fine. Never used a torque wrench.

After alignment and several track events, the bolt has yet to move. Marking is unmoved also.

-alex

Edit: here's your original post:

Quote:

Originally Posted by DuMa

After looking under the car again today, the camber bolts i felt after torquing it 55ft/lbs and after i set the desired camber angle (eyeballing it), i could still tighten a few more turns by hand easily with some crescent wrenches. So i dont think this 55ft/lb from SPC's specs is tight enough.

I hope you realize that torque spec is a function of the material of the bolt and the size of it. See this for some overview info:
https://www.imperialsupplies.com/pdf...rqueCharts.pdf

AZP Installs · 05-21-2015, 08:50 AM

We at AZP have installed no less than 50 of these SPC arms. Mostly on street driven (Really bumpy NJ and NYC Streets) as well as our own Project BRZ street/track car as well as our Spec86 Cup wheel to wheel race car.

We have also aligned these cars as well. None of our own nor any customer cars have come back due to any handling or bolt losing issues. All alignments were done on our Hunter Hawkeye Elite Aligner.

I would say our sample size is probably larger than most. The key is proper installment and setup of your suspension before jumping to the conclusion that the parts are bad.

-mike

supramkivtt2jz · 05-26-2015, 03:58 PM

i installed mine this weekend and had an alignment done. I was told that I still have too much toe with just the arms and i need to find another adjustment alternative.

can anyone chime in on this? I have rs-r super downs with -1.3" in the rear. it seems to me that there should be enough factory toe adjustment to compensate for it. i really dont want to buy toe arms or use the offset bushings.

HATED1 · 05-26-2015, 04:07 PM

That is really strange. You are only dropped on springs and only have -1.3 camber and they can't align the toe within spec? I don't mean to be rude, but i think you may need to find another alignment shop.

wparsons · 05-26-2015, 04:07 PM

The SPC control arms come with new toe bushings with a bigger adjustment range, just for that very reason...

As for if there's enough adjustment or not, it all depends on how much camber was dialed out, not the final camber.

supramkivtt2jz · 05-26-2015, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HATED1

That is really strange. You are only dropped on springs and only have -1.3 camber and they can't align the toe within spec? I don't mean to be rude, but i think you may need to find another alignment shop.

im sorry, i should have clarified i am -1.3 inches lower in the rear.

HATED1 · 05-26-2015, 04:30 PM

no worries, 1.3 inches in the rear shouldn't be a problem. The alignment shop should be able to adjust accordingly. @wparsons had good input as well.

Koa · 05-26-2015, 04:31 PM

"by hand with crescent wrenches" is not "by hand".

/throws down mic

I'M OUT

Hyper4mance2k · 05-26-2015, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koa

"by hand with crescent wrenches" is not "by hand".

/throws down mic

I'M OUT

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mav1178 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: 2005 Toyota Camry Location: 91745 Posts: 6,562 Thanks: 493 Thanked 6,093 Times in 3,029 Posts Mentioned: 95 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	1) it's your toe settings, not the arm. 2) if you are ever worried about bolt movement, mark the rear camber washer against the arm so you have a point to measure against. just because you can torque the bolt more doesn't mean that something is actually moving. Like this: 3) see #1. 4) get an alignment before passing judgment. -alex

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DuMa Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: LR BRZ Limited Location: PNW Posts: 904 Thanks: 199 Thanked 648 Times in 276 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	well im not claiming to say i adjusted toe and its aligned. In fact i hadnt even touched toe but i just know its out of spec. judging on the comments here, im guessing everyone had their alignment guy torque or tighten the Camber bolt on the SPC Arm. No one did it themselves?

05-20-2015, 04:15 PM	#19
2016 Camaro SS Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Drives: Fast Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 790 Thanks: 114 Thanked 408 Times in 241 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I torqued all the bolts to spec myself and got an alignment. These SPC arms work just fine and don't make a lot of noise. Just because the wheel looks straight doesn't mean it's aligned. I guarantee your alignment is way off, most likely on toe.

05-21-2015, 08:50 AM	#21
AZP Installs Join Date: Oct 2011 Drives: '11 STi->'14 BRZ \| '14 Touareg TDi Location: Kenilworth, NJ Posts: 1,269 Thanks: 359 Thanked 558 Times in 371 Posts Mentioned: 49 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	We at AZP have installed no less than 50 of these SPC arms. Mostly on street driven (Really bumpy NJ and NYC Streets) as well as our own Project BRZ street/track car as well as our Spec86 Cup wheel to wheel race car. We have also aligned these cars as well. None of our own nor any customer cars have come back due to any handling or bolt losing issues. All alignments were done on our Hunter Hawkeye Elite Aligner. I would say our sample size is probably larger than most. The key is proper installment and setup of your suspension before jumping to the conclusion that the parts are bad. -mike

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