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[Hyper4mance2k]

Originally Posted by cdrazic93

we got the bolded AND underlined words, awww snap.

Just like your signature!!

Sometimes you really need to highlight inflection so people get the point.

[cdrazic93]

Now your making me feel self consious about my signature

[KoolBRZ]

Look, there needs to be to different words for oversteer and understeer when it includes skidding and when there is no skidding. It is 2 different things really. I'm talking about the effects with the nanny's left on and no skidding. You're probably talking about the effects with the nanny's turned off and skidding. 2 completely different things. I'm saying the car handles this way UP TO loss of traction. You're saying the car handles this way AFTER loss of traction. Until there are new words made up to describe this, I'm going to call these effects "tractive understeer" and "tractive oversteer", for what I've been describing, and "skidding understeer" and "skidding oversteer" for what I think you've been describing. There's no sense arguing about effects when the words don't accurately describe them.

[Hyper4mance2k]

Originally Posted by KoolBRZ

Look, there needs to be to different words for oversteer and understeer when it includes skidding and when there is no skidding. It is 2 different things really. I'm talking about the effects with the nanny's left on and no skidding. You're probably talking about the effects with the nanny's turned off and skidding. 2 completely different things. I'm saying the car handles this way UP TO loss of traction. You're saying the car handles this way AFTER loss of traction. Until there are new words made up to describe this, I'm going to call these effects "tractive understeer" and "tractive oversteer", for what I've been describing, and "skidding understeer" and "skidding oversteer" for what I think you've been describing. There's no sense arguing about effects when the words don't accurately describe them.

If the tire isn't losing traction the car is NOT understeering nor oversteering. You can't apply a word to explain something you don't understand. That's like me saying that this Frank's Red Hot on my chicken wings is really sweet. It makes my mouth burn, so it must be -I don't have a word for this, so I'll just call it something related- sweet. Yeah, that Frank's Red Hot is really sweet. You see how outlandish it is for me to use the word sweet to describe hot sauce?
Language doesn't work that way. Words are used to convey common meaning.

[Racecomp Engineering]

Originally Posted by KoolBRZ

Look, there needs to be to different words for oversteer and understeer when it includes skidding and when there is no skidding. It is 2 different things really. I'm talking about the effects with the nanny's left on and no skidding. You're probably talking about the effects with the nanny's turned off and skidding. 2 completely different things. I'm saying the car handles this way UP TO loss of traction. You're saying the car handles this way AFTER loss of traction. Until there are new words made up to describe this, I'm going to call these effects "tractive understeer" and "tractive oversteer", for what I've been describing, and "skidding understeer" and "skidding oversteer" for what I think you've been describing. There's no sense arguing about effects when the words don't accurately describe them.

You're going to confuse and misguide people if you use your own definitions of understeer and oversteer.

Quicker reactions and sharper turn-in may be what you're getting at....but that is not oversteer/understeer or whatever.

- Andy

[SkAsphalt]

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

You're going to confuse and misguide people if you use your own definitions of understeer and oversteer.

Quicker reactions and sharper turn-in may be what you're getting at....but that is not oversteer/understeer or whatever.

- Andy

The KoolBRZ guy is constantly blasted all over the forums for misguiding people. I think that is his forte.

[SkAsphalt]

Originally Posted by KoolBRZ

Try it. When the car starts to lean over while cornering, the rear camber/toe adjustment rods cause the rear of the car to swing out, steering the car further into the corner, (oversteer). That all depends on alignment as well, of course. Since the cars don't have a solid axle straight across, the rear wheels can actually change angle during a corner, depending on alignment, of course.

There is also the opinion of many that a stiffer front sway bar causes oversteer, while a stiffer rear sway bar causes understeer, and since there wouldn't be any rear sway bar, then the front sway bar would be stiffer then the rear, wouldn't it?

You are going to get someone killed one day by saying something stupid

[KoolBRZ]

Originally Posted by SkAsphalt

You are going to get someone killed one day by saying something stupid

Drama queen. When's your next performance?

[cdrazic93]

Originally Posted by KoolBRZ

Drama queen. When's your next performance?

The next time you say something thats opposite of fact. Or interject your opinion as fact due to some findings, which were interpreted the wrong way.

Seriously; it would be really helpful to you if you read some od the books people have reccomended you.

[SkAsphalt]

Originally Posted by KoolBRZ

Drama queen. When's your next performance?

Have not acted since high school sadly. When is your next liability case?

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by KoolBRZ

Look, there needs to be to different words for oversteer and understeer when it includes skidding and when there is no skidding. It is 2 different things really. I'm talking about the effects with the nanny's left on and no skidding. You're probably talking about the effects with the nanny's turned off and skidding. 2 completely different things. I'm saying the car handles this way UP TO loss of traction. You're saying the car handles this way AFTER loss of traction. Until there are new words made up to describe this, I'm going to call these effects "tractive understeer" and "tractive oversteer", for what I've been describing, and "skidding understeer" and "skidding oversteer" for what I think you've been describing. There's no sense arguing about effects when the words don't accurately describe them.

You've already been corrected on this twice, but lets make it an even three

The definition of understeer and oversteer mean that one end has to be breaking traction, if not the car is just steering.

You can have all 4 wheels sliding but still be under or over steering as well, so try not to think of it in terms of which tires are sliding.

The easiest way to picture it is by thinking about the radius of the corner you're taking. If the path you're on has a longer radius than it should based on steering input, you're understeering. If the path you're on has a shorter radius than it should based on steering input, you're oversteering.

If the path you're on matches the radius it should based on the steering input, you're just steering.

[cdrazic93]

That leaves if your steering radius is larger than what it should be, youre understeering! There i did the learning for you KoolBRZ lol

[86_Insider]

Lots of info bouncing back and forth in here now. Thank you all. Need to keep it the correct info of course.

A video with diagrams could help. Check this out: [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6o-gbdUeyc"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6o-gbdUeyc[/ame]

Has a "Days of Thunder" quote and all. haha. Good basic info in the video though. Should help clear things up for some.

If anyone needs help with setup PM me and I'll help get you the right sways or coil-overs, etc. to pair with your current setup. Total Automotive Performance has special FT86club pricing.

[wparsons]

(im)patiently waiting for KoolBRZ to try to dig himself deeper on this one.