pass referee in cali for loud exhaust...

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by Jaden

It doesn't HAVE TO BE WRITTEN...

You obviously DON'T get it. It doesn't have to be written in the VC for that to be an unlawful application. It is inherent in our justice system and the way it is supposed to work.

To have a law (VC) that allows them to cite you for something that is contingent upon another citation that has not resulted in a conviction is adherent to the very core of what our justice system is supposed to represent (i.e. innocent until proven guilty).

Jaden

So the law was written wrong and should be corrected.

How is this a power tripping issue with the officer? If anything, blame the state legislature and CalTrans... to just blame the person applying the law is the wrong way to resolve this.

I get it perfectly fine and I had no issues with it.

-alex

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by kch

Instead of fighting your tickets, you could just get fewer tickets by not driving like an ass.

I wasn't driving like an ass, I was getting away from someone who WAS and was raging on me. The reason I got out of it was because it was aircraft radar that shot me and I wasn't speeding 100 yards later, and the cop that wrote the ticket was a mile down the road and did not witness the violation.

Jaden

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by mav1178

Don't have to worry? Or is it just a simple matter of cops not enforcing the law?

Don't have to worry, but the end result would be the same either way.

I'm building out a Jeep. I was able to make my build decisions based entirely on what I want the Jeep to be able to do. I didn't even have to think about what the nanny state would allow me to do. It's simply not a factor.

It's always sad to see the discussions on the Jeep board where people end up having to spend more money on parts with a CARB sticker or simply can't build what they want because a CARB compliant part doesn't exist.

Originally Posted by mav1178

You guys also don't have to worry about a landscape that contributes to some of the worst smog problems in the US.

I laugh heartily at that argument. Los Angeles has a smog problem because of the LA basin. Last I checked, there were actually areas of California that were outside Los Angeles! Geography!

In fact, 97% of California is not in LA. So your nanny government punishes its entire population for a problem that only affects 3% of its land area. What that tells me is that it's not about smog. It's about control. It's about people in government thinking they know better how you should live your life than you do.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

I laugh heartily at that argument. Los Angeles has a smog problem because of the LA basin. Last I checked, there were actually areas of California that were outside Los Angeles! Geography!

In fact, 97% of California is not in LA. So your nanny government punishes its entire population for a problem that only affects 3% of its land area. What that tells me is that it's not about smog. It's about control. It's about people in government thinking they know better how you should live your life than you do.

Funny you bring that up.

California is actually pretty fair... if you live in a high-smog area, you get to do biannual smog.

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1...smogfaq#BM2539

http://smogcheck.ca.gov/pdf/Program_Map.pdf

Basic: usual "sniffer" test + visual
Enhanced: must use roller drum (idle sniffer test if you have a AWD vehicle)

Otherwise you are actually exempt until you change ownership.

-alex

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by mav1178

So the law was written wrong and should be corrected.

How is this a power tripping issue with the officer? If anything, blame the state legislature and CalTrans... to just blame the person applying the law is the wrong way to resolve this.

I get it perfectly fine and I had no issues with it.

-alex

I blame the officers who swore an oath to support and defend the constitution.
I blame the legislators who did the same.
I blame the members of the populace, who say and have the attitude, that's just the way it is deal with it.
I blame CARB, I blame the politicians and the scientists who fudge data to get more funding.
I blame the oil companies for suppressing technologies.
I blame car companies for investing in the oil industry.
I even blame myself for being recalcitrant to do more than I have.

Jaden

p.s. I'm starting to wonder if you might not be employed by the state with a position contingent upon CARB...

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by mav1178

California is actually pretty fair... if you live in a high-smog area, you get to do biannual smog.

And yet you still have the nanny state sniffing your tail.

Sure is nice not to have to worry about that.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

And yet you still have the nanny state sniffing your tail.

Sure is nice not to have to worry about that.

Not worried.

http://www.mytime.com/guide/Smog-Che...eference-guide

19 states without testing of any kind
Another 14 with limited testing depending on factors
Rest all require annual/biannual inspections

So roughly half the country are nanny states. Must be nice to not worry about it in that other half...

-alex

[Tcoat]

I love watching people "stand up for their rights" against the man and the laws that aren't convenient for them at any given point in time.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by mav1178

Must be nice to not worry about it in that other half...

Now you're finally catching on.

[cycleboy]

Originally Posted by Jaden

To have a law (VC) that allows them to cite you for something that is contingent upon another citation that has not resulted in a conviction is adherent to the very core of what our justice system is supposed to represent (i.e. innocent until proven guilty).

If for example, another cop were to have pulled me over before I had had my court date and before I had had my exhaust level tested and I informed him that I am in the process of contesting a violation of 27150a and he wrote me up for that other violation, both would end up getting thrown out. It is WRONG that he even has the authority to write it up, or that he is trained to write it up in the first place as I've stated it is adherent to the core of our judicial system.

Jaden

This is what happened to me about 15-20 years ago.

I was pulled over for expired registration. I had mailed it in and the DMV had cashed my check but I didn't have the new sticker yet. Got a ticket for that. Less than a week later I got pulled over for the same thing. Told the cop the story of the previous one and that I was just waiting for the sticker. He asked if I had the first ticket with me in the car. I did not. He said he had to write it up since I didn't have it with me but that it would get cleared when I went to pay for the first.

I had to pay both when I went to the courts. Got my sticker the next day.

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I love watching people "stand up for their rights" against the man and the laws that aren't convenient for them at any given point in time.

Not just the ones that are inconvenient for me.

In fact, like a lot of people that just pay a ticket, or comply with illegal searches, it's usually much more convenient to NOT stand up for your rights and liberties, and that only empowers those who would abuse and usurp authority even more.

Those who would usurp authority rely on the average person desiring to just maintain the status quo...

Jaden

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Jaden

Not just the ones that are inconvenient for me.

In fact, like a lot of people that just pay a ticket, or comply with illegal searches, it's usually much more convenient to NOT stand up for your rights and liberties, and that only empowers those who would abuse and usurp authority even more.

Those who would usurp authority rely on the average person desiring to just maintain the status quo...

Jaden

How is a cop writing you a ticket for something that is against the law "abuse" and if I am not mistaken there are plenty of times they can legally search can they not?
And not sure you understand the word "usurp".

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

How is a cop writing you a ticket for something that is against the law "abuse" and if I am not mistaken there are plenty of times they can legally search can they not?

If I understand correctly, the ref ruled that his exhaust wasn't actually illegal. Therefore the ticket was not written for something that was against the law. Pulling someone over and writing a ticket for something that isn't against the law just because you don't like the way the car sounds is abuse of power. It's a lesser abuse than beating the shit out of him, to be sure, but an abuse regardless.

[strat61caster]

To the point of the violation, I would be pissed off if I was woken up by a 90+ dB exhaust, that's loud as fuck, don't know what the rest of y'all's tolerance is, but we're talking hearing damage, jackhammers, trains etc. Typically that level is measured at less than a foot from the exhaust so the average passerby would experience a much lower level. Still awfully annoying.

To the "commiefornia" brigade, as said above, we've got enough people 'round here, not in the business of driving up property prices even more.

Today I have two options of legal superchargers that give me an estimated 300 horsepower at the crank on pump fuel, plenty of upgrades like oil coolers to axles to handle the load, big fat sticky rubber, slam it on coilovers, do just about any aero modification that doesn't impact other drivers, many options for exhausts, and go spend a lovely day thrashing it around Laguna Seca, Thunderhill, Sonoma Raceway, Buttonwillow, Willow Springs, Fontana ("Auto Club") Speedway, or any number of AutoX sites without limits, take a leisurely drive through the Sierra Nevada's, down the coast along Hwy 1, through wine country or any number of windy hilly roads. All easily and legally.

Guess I'm missing out by not ripping my catalytic converters out or that I have to reflash before my smog test every two years if I have a non-certified tune? The maximum of 4 hp from not having access to 93 octane? That hypothetically other cops would be more lenient if I had a loud as fuck exhaust? Ok.