BRZ in a riot.

[BRZnut]

Just a reason to break windows, smash cars, and steal stuff. Dumb....

[Cal3000]

Originally Posted by tyrantcf

Don't start. The facts about incidents like those to which you are referring are rarely known until way after the fact. Thanks to our media.

In the meantime, you're condoning mass destruction and theft of property against innocent parties. Is ones anger, for example, enough cause to justify denting 20 car roofs of people totally uninvolved?

Guess you really don't pay attention to the constant news of lies in police reports. Hell, even if it's caught on camera, the officer the majority of the time wont get indicted.
When it's on camera, we see the suspect running away getting shot 8 times and the officer planting evidence.
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXO3Ix_GIyI&bpctr=1430189629"]Walter Scott Shooting VIDEO: Police Officer Michael Slager Shoots Black Man Multiple Times in Back - YouTube[/ame]


When it's on camera, we see someone reaching for their license get shot.
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63WlopaIIyo"]COP SHOOTS MAN FOR NO SEAT BELT & GETTING LICENSE - YouTube[/ame]

12 year old kid in Cleveland playing with a toy gun and posed no real threat gunned down in 2 seconds on police arrival. No indiction.
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW-XE10epVo"]Video Released of 12-Year-Old Tamir Rice Gunned Down by Cop - YouTube[/ame]

Now we see someone in Baltimore in good condition being led to a van and later ends up in the hospital with a severed spine.

Who are the real thugs now?

The riots been going on for 24 hour and no report of a single gun shot.

Fact: If there was no unjust, there would be no protest gatherings.
And human behavioral studies show that those in large groups usually tend to get rowdy more so than not whether you are a fan of a football club, hockey fan, etc.

The only difference is, these people gathered for a cause.
I don't condone the sabotage, but it's going to happen.

[tyrantcf]

Originally Posted by Cal3000

Guess you really don't pay attention to the constant news of lies in police reports. Hell, even if it's caught on camera, the officer the majority of the time wont get indicted.
When it's on camera, we see the suspect running away getting shot 8 times and the officer planting evidence.

When it's on camera, we see someone reaching for their license get shot.

12 year old kid in Cleveland playing with a toy gun and posed no real threat gunned down in 2 seconds on police arrival. No indiction.

Now we see someone in Baltimore in good condition being led to a van and later ends up in the hospital with a severed spine.

Who are the real thugs now?

The riots been going on for 24 hour and no report of a single gun shot.

Fact: If there was no unjust, there would be no protest gatherings.
And human behavioral studies show that those in large groups usually tend to get rowdy more so than not whether you are a fan of a football club, hockey fan, etc.

The only difference is, these people gathered for a cause.
I don't condone the sabotage, but it's going to happen.

Why is the lack of gunshots indicative of anything? Is burning buildings a better outlet for their "anger?"

People protest all the time for stupid things they know nothing about, you really think all those people out there could recite the facts of ANY of those cases you've mentioned? Come on.

Bottom line, you want to talk about the bigger issues? How about the black on black assault/murder rate in this country, especially in low income areas.

This rioting has nothing to do with the underlying issues, it's small groups of people taking advantage of the situation for their own personal gain and enjoyment.

[brandonblt2]

Originally Posted by Cal3000

Guess you really don't pay attention to the constant news of lies in police reports. Hell, even if it's caught on camera, the officer the majority of the time wont get indicted.
When it's on camera, we see the suspect running away getting shot 8 times and the officer planting evidence.


When it's on camera, we see someone reaching for their license get shot.


12 year old kid in Cleveland playing with a toy gun and posed no real threat gunned down in 2 seconds on police arrival. No indiction.


Now we see someone in Baltimore in good condition being led to a van and later ends up in the hospital with a severed spine.

Who are the real thugs now?

The riots been going on for 24 hour and no report of a single gun shot.

Fact: If there was no unjust, there would be no protest gatherings.
And human behavioral studies show that those in large groups usually tend to get rowdy more so than not whether you are a fan of a football club, hockey fan, etc.

The only difference is, these people gathered for a cause.
I don't condone the sabotage, but it's going to happen.

I don't think anyone is saying the cop was in the right or didn't commit a serious crime. But the people rioting are not much better, attacking innocent people and property because they are "mad". The cop and anyone taking part in the riot is a criminal and thug. The real people who are upset and want change are usually the ones peacefully protesting. Not the trash shown who are hurting their own community.

[Cal3000]

Originally Posted by tyrantcf

Why is the lack of gunshots indicative of anything? Is burning buildings a better outlet for their "anger?"

People protest all the time for stupid things they know nothing about, you really think all those people out there could recite the facts of ANY of those cases you've mentioned? Come on.

Bottom line, you want to talk about the bigger issues? How about the black on black assault/murder rate in this country, especially in low income areas.

This rioting has nothing to do with the underlying issues, it's small groups of people taking advantage of the situation for their own personal gain and enjoyment.

I'm pretty sure the majority of the people know what's going on. Everything derives from lack of trust from law enforcement. And recent news shows that we really cant trust law enforcement. That is where most of the hostility is directed to. Like I said large crowds no matter what, become unruly. It's human nature.

Don't bring up black on black violence. Most murders in the US occur with its own race. The percentage of white on white violence is roughly the same area as black on black violence. However, blacks somehow have 4 time more of an incarceration rate; which is no surprise. Don't pull out that card.

Like I said, if the system was not broken, there would be no riot.

[Cal3000]

Originally Posted by brandonblt2

I don't think anyone is saying the cop was in the right or didn't commit a serious crime. But the people rioting are not much better, attacking innocent people and property because they are "mad". The cop and anyone taking part in the riot is a criminal and thug. The real people who are upset and want change are usually the ones peacefully protesting. Not the trash shown who are hurting their own community.

The main issue is, cops don't get convicted. That's the major problem. I grantee you of cops got indicted at all times, we wouldn't be seeing this.
The sad fact is, peaceful protests don't get noticed the majority of the time unless we have another million man march. A peaceful protest would be the news story that 90% would bypass.

There was peaceful protest in SC after the man got shot. Everyone forgot what was going on a week later. It's the sad truth.

[shellslinger]

Only one way to stop a riot

[thill]

Not all cops are perfect. But I would dare any of you to patrol some of these inner cities that run rampant with drugs, violence, gangs, etc with the cops. You take your life at risk every patrol.

Innocent kids, women, etc are gunned down by gangs all the time by drive-bys. So where is the backlash against the gangs? Why don't people "protest" those situations and clean up their own backyard? Oh wait, they want the police to do it and then riot when a police officer or two make a boneheaded decision.

You can't win in these situations.

[brandonblt2]

Originally Posted by Cal3000

The main issue is, cops don't get convicted. That's the major problem. I grantee you of cops got indicted at all times, we wouldn't be seeing this.
The sad fact is, peaceful protests don't get noticed the majority of the time unless we have another million man march. A peaceful protest would be the news story that 90% would bypass.

There was peaceful protest in SC after the man got shot. Everyone forgot what was going on a week later. It's the sad truth.

You're trying to justify these actions but you can't. Do I agree that the police are getting out hand yes, does that give me the right to run across the street and set my neighbor's car on fire no. Trust me these people aren't doing it to promote the issue they just want to commit crimes and destroy things because they feel their will be no repercussions for their actions due to a mob mentality.

[tyrantcf]

Originally Posted by Cal3000

I'm pretty sure the majority of the people know what's going on. Everything derives from lack of trust from law enforcement. And recent news shows that we really cant trust law enforcement. That is where most of the hostility is directed to. Like I said large crowds no matter what, become unruly. It's human nature.

Don't bring up black on black violence. Most murders in the US occur with its own race. The percentage of white on white violence is roughly the same area as black on black violence. However, blacks somehow have 4 time more of an incarceration rate; which is no surprise. Don't pull out that card.

Like I said, if the system was not broken, there would be no riot.

Alright. I completely disagree with you on multiple points, so I think we can just agree to disagree.

One last thing, not everybody mistrusts their local law enforcement. In fact in many many cases id say the opposite is true. I generally trust my local law enforcement, but then again I generally am not out breaking the law and running from the police and whatnot. Maybe that changed my perspective?

[tyrantcf]

Originally Posted by thill

Not all cops are perfect. But I would dare any of you to patrol some of these inner cities that run rampant with drugs, violence, gangs, etc with the cops. You take your life at risk every patrol.

Innocent kids, women, etc are gunned down by gangs all the time by drive-bys. So where is the backlash against the gangs? Why don't people "protest" those situations and clean up their own backyard? Oh wait, they want the police to do it and then riot when a police officer or two make a boneheaded decision.

You can't win in these situations.

Well said!

[Cal3000]

Originally Posted by brandonblt2

You're trying to justify these actions but you can't. Do I agree that the police are getting out hand yes, does that give me the right to run across the street and set my neighbor's car on fire no. Trust me these people aren't doing it to promote the issue they just want to commit crimes and destroy things because they feel their will be no repercussions for their actions due to a mob mentality.

I'm not trying to justify anything. I'm just stating the facts as they are. You do the research on the media and what is published.

You just reiterated what I've been talking about. The mob mentality. Would a lot of them commit crime on their own? Probably not. Would it be in the back of their mind to commit these acts alone? Probably not. Here we have a catalyst. Mob mentalities everywhere all over the world for different reasons.

I can guarantee you that these individuals are fed up and when they see a cop, negative emotions are triggered because of what goes on.
Yes, some will take advantage of the situation. It's the nature of mob mentalities.

[Cal3000]

Originally Posted by tyrantcf

Alright. I completely disagree with you on multiple points, so I think we can just agree to disagree.

One last thing, not everybody mistrusts their local law enforcement. In fact in many many cases id say the opposite is true. I generally trust my local law enforcement, but then again I generally am not out breaking the law and running from the police and whatnot. Maybe that changed my perspective?

You completely disagree because you don't understand the situation. You are not from the area where they live. You don't experience what they experience. You don't have the emotions that they have. So you will never understand.

Mistrust spawns from actions of your law enforcement. If you live in an affluent neighborhood, you wont be constantly harassed by the police.
However, when you live in a poorer area, everyone is a suspect. The innocent get frustrated because they constantly get profiled for doing absolutely nothing. Negative mentality created. People are profiled by appearance. Sag your pants? You are profiled. Drive a BMW 6 series? You are profiled. It's a Catch 22. A modern day caste system.

[Fastbrz]

Originally Posted by Cal3000

I'm not trying to justify anything. I'm just stating the facts as they are. You do the research on the media and what is published.

You just reiterated what I've been talking about. The mob mentality. Would a lot of them commit crime on their own? Probably not. Would it be in the back of their mind to commit these acts alone? Probably not. Here we have a catalyst. Mob mentalities everywhere all over the world for different reasons.

I can guarantee you that these individuals are fed up and when they see a cop, negative emotions are triggered because of what goes on.
Yes, some will take advantage of the situation. It's the nature of mob mentalities.

First I would like to state that the "media" is not what makes something a fact. Statistics are what makes something a fact. As for the police all these videos of police officers who may abused their power it is very equivalent to say someone making a thread about a problem with their car and suddenly it's out of proportion and it's affecting every gt86 in the country when in reality it's most likely that car or a very few. That is what the problem is with social media it throws things out of proportion. You can't guarantee any reason why these people did what they did because you are not them you can only list your opinion. These people have committed serious crimes and deserve to go to jail that is not only my opinion but it's the same in the eyes of the law and the police enforce those laws. I serve my country and if my life is at risk I will very well do what is necessary to protect myself and my fellow soldiers.