Toyota 86 vs Cayman - Wheels Magazine australia review

[Matador]

Originally Posted by civicdrivr

Im partial to the S14B23.

[DubGUy]

Holy shit!

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by Matador

From what I've read about the LFA, probably not. The same qualities that make the 86 stand out among it's peers is are the same as what makes the LFA stand out in it's rarified air. I guess you could go far out on a limb and say the 86 is the layman's LFA, less the glorious orgasm inducing sound and 352hp for a $350k discount?

Man if only Yamaha did the engine\exhaust sounding on the 86\FR-S\BRZ like they did on the LFA.....

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by Matador

Have you ever heard a 4AGE 20V on full song?

S2000 still sounds better at 9K rpm, better than any other 4 cylinder engine...LFA has the best sounding of all engines...

[DeepHunta]

Holy crap! best best read ever. The world is over if Subaru's can out perform a Porsche. The world needs to know this!

And speaking of Top Gear, the Cayman R was out beat by the BMW 1M. All of Porsche's cars are getting worse except the 911 of course.

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

S2000 still sounds better at 9K rpm, better than any other 4 cylinder engine...LFA has the best sounding of all engines...

I agree. LFA is the best followed closely by the Porsche Carrera GT. They sound like a freakin Formula 1 car!

[enigma]

Originally Posted by Bristecom

Yeah, the sound of the S2000 engine is the best of all 4 cylinder car engines IMO. But as a daily driver, the FR-S is that much more practical and fuel efficient and comfortable while, as you say, about 90% as engaging. But I think it will be even more entertaining because of the more progressive balance and lower limits.

BTW, did you get to sit in the FR-S? If so, what were your impressions in comparison?

I have sat in the FRS. It's obviously very much more comfortable. With the door closed, I have more hip and leg room (I'm not a huge guy. 5'8" 180 lbs--and dropping) than in the S2000. The seats in the FR-S are way more comfortable, and may even be more supportive (not sure without actually driving it).

The shifter in the FR-S feels crisp, but it's still not on S2000 levels (best gearbox in the industry imho). Interior design, materials, and build quality is honestly a toss up. They're both very spartan, not particularly 'high class,' but both get the job done well.

Seating position and pedal position is basically a toss up as well. The FR-S does have a telescoping wheel, which helps, but both cars are very good. Visibility is better out of the FR-S. Pedal placement is perfect in both cars, though (again, without driving it, it's hard to say for sure), I'd venture a guess that the S2000 is marginally better.

[enigma]

Originally Posted by Bristecom

I agree. LFA is the best followed closely by the Porsche Carrera GT. They sound like a freakin Formula 1 car!

I felt it necessary to post this... Love the LF-A so much.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6D7S2rcyIQ"]Lexus LFA: a symphony of sound (SkiddPlayer TV) - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JpmZoZEIiI"]Lexus LFA Full Production Model - YouTube[/ame]

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by enigma

I felt it necessary to post this... Love the LF-A so much.

Honestly, the sound alone makes this car worth it. It's like buying a musical instrument.

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

Man if only Yamaha did the engine\exhaust sounding on the 86\FR-S\BRZ like they did on the LFA.....

Yeah, when I first heard they did some sound tuning on the car, I thought it would be like the LFA so I got really excited to hear it. But it turned out to just be the stupid cabin air intake thing.

[Exhaust]

Originally Posted by Bristecom

Yeah, when I first heard they did some sound tuning on the car, I thought it would be like the LFA so I got really excited to hear it. But it turned out to just be the stupid cabin air intake thing.

As fellow 86/BRZ enthusiast brothers... lets not talk about that.


This is by far a ballsy and very impressive review. This car is definitely a game changer in today's car industry on so many levels. One cant help but think of the competition to come, and what other big names plan on doing to challenge such inspiring legacy.

On further note, im surprised no one has taken the time to mention the NSX comparison. Yeah the miata mention is obvious, and to put it against the porsche is pretty astounding. To compare it to one of the greatest performers to ever hit the racing 90's industry tells you something. Toyota is back, and it wants to bring back that competition it had once inspired almost 20 years ago. That alone helps me completely justify my purchase with not only one of the greatest compact cars ever built, but one that's built in my own generation. :happy0180:

[ranisron]

I wish my daughter would grow faster so I can use front facing child seat... eh.... patience is gold...

[Rockstar]

I've got the magazine since the 15/05 but havent found a good time to read it. 86 looks very promising!

[jcX4ever]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

S2000 still sounds better at 9K rpm, better than any other 4 cylinder engine...

The 2zz-ge sings better.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8QOSCcCUSk"]XRS from Hell !!!!! - YouTube[/ame]