Scion FT-86 FR-S

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by 70NYD

So JUST HOW MUCH DOES YOUR CAR OWE YOU IN ITS CURRENT STATE? total sum? No need to have a shopping list. A simple nice total sum (excluding labour since you do everything by your self)

I have calculated $7,555. I high balled my old turbo setup cost to be $4k cause I can't remember an exact price on that and I didn't subtract any money from the sale of parts. That $7500 doesn't include the cost of tires, cause everyone has to have tires, so I didn't feel tire cost should be a factor.

So, vehicle after taxes $20k + $7500 in mods.

[Franisco]

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[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Franisco

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Dude! I'd rather look at pics of riced-out Scions than Richard Simons!!!

[Matador]

Dragon, firstly a couple questions;

- Did you read through this thread from page 1?

- How many and what cars have you owned?

- How old are you?

- Why did you buy the tC?

Secondly, you certainly aren't implying that the tC is a better car than an Evo, STi or Z right? Whether or not you beat them it could have come down to simply driving, and you must be aware that

a) regardless of the "playstation-ness" of the Evo it is still far more rewarding to drive that a tC.

b) you can get a low mileage example for well under 27k. Same can be applied for almost all the cars you beat.

[70NYD]

Honestly, this is a widely flawed statement.. You can, for example, get a evo 6 for what 20k in oz so 15 us?? With 10k of mods (again parts only assuming free labour) it would wipe the floor with a tc both being driven by same driver (unbiased 3rd party)
Or you can get a Mid to late 90's sti (10-15k in oz) and put whatever the difference between it and total of 27 is and it will shit all over the tc costing same amount..
That's the problem with YOUR point of view.. It's too broad.. Comparing to a brand new evo or sti or 370 that cost same stock as your tc with mods, that's different story.. That's because those cars hold their value, are built an put together and finished better.. Spending 10 k on a 370 will net a BETER result than spending 20k on a tc

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Dragon, firstly a couple questions;

- Did you read through this thread from page 1?

- How many and what cars have you owned?

- How old are you?

- Why did you buy the tC?

- Yes

- Nissan Sentra, 97 Toyota Corolla, 95 Toyota Corolla, Buick Regal, Nissan 350z, Scion tC, Infiniti FX35

- 30

- Price and options it came with were unmatched by other cars in it's class.

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Secondly, you certainly aren't implying that the tC is a better car than an Evo, STi or Z right? Whether or not you beat them it could have come down to simply driving, and you must be aware that

Races were done on the street from a roll on the interstate, making driving irrelevant. In the case of the Z, it was against my own 350z making driving even more irrelevant. My fiance was in the tC and I was in the Z from the start, then we swapped cars. It's not a drivers race when one car puts a bus length on the other. I put 10 cars on my own 350z, 6-8 cars on a stock STI, about 4 cars on an Evo IX MR. Of course my Z isn't the only one I've raced. These are all on video as well (except for the other 350z's since I didn't have my cam with me and it was a random encounter).

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

a) regardless of the "playstation-ness" of the Evo it is still far more rewarding to drive that a tC.

b) you can get a low mileage example for well under 27k. Same can be applied for almost all the cars you beat.

a) I enjoy driving my tC, that's rather apparent. And I would not trade it in for an Evo. I'd rather own both if I were to get an Evo. If I had to pick a car I would trade my tC for, it would have to be no short of an R35 GTR.

b) Not brand new you can't.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by 70NYD

Honestly, this is a widely flawed statement.. You can, for example, get a evo 6 for what 20k in oz so 15 us?? With 10k of mods (again parts only assuming free labour) it would wipe the floor with a tc both being driven by same driver (unbiased 3rd party)
Or you can get a Mid to late 90's sti (10-15k in oz) and put whatever the difference between it and total of 27 is and it will shit all over the tc costing same amount..
That's the problem with YOUR point of view.. It's too broad.. Comparing to a brand new evo or sti or 370 that cost same stock as your tc with mods, that's different story.. That's because those cars hold their value, are built an put together and finished better.. Spending 10 k on a 370 will net a BETER result than spending 20k on a tc

I was not under the impression we were talking about Used cars. As a used tC goes for $6-8k and not $20k. Don't compare a used up car to that of a brand new one that has been modded. I don't play the "price" game anyway, because there are junkyarders like a CRX and do a motor swap + boost to that would own a crap load of cars....The proverbial "Price" war is a matter of personal taste in vehicles and what you can and can't afford.

Spending 10k on a 370 will not Hands down net better results than spending 20k on a tC....that's where you lack in experience in terms of racing or knowledge of what can be had for $20k into a tC. If you gave me $20k and a bone stock tC, I would return back to you a 600-700whp Track bruiser. The 370 would be no where near that neighborhood in power for one, and two, you will spend $10k just bolting on a Twin turbo Setup to a stock motor and then spend whatever is left over trying to combat heating issues. I've owned a 350z....you have to remove the motor to install twin turbos on it. 10k to do that equates to a built motor and turbo on a tC that would murder a Stock motor Twin Turbo 350z (drag racing that is).

[Dragonitti]

And before you get to thinking that everything I've raced that were higher grade were all STOCK in form, you will be sadly mistaken.

I've raced

-Camaro SS w/100 shot of nitrous (beat him by a headlight)
-Procharged Mustang GT (440whp) He even lost to my friends tC
-300zx Twin Turbo (friend of mine pushing 380whp. We tied).

These were all street races as well. This was back during my street racing days. Now I'm all track because there is skill involved there.

[2jz-gte4life]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

I was not under the impression we were talking about Used cars. As a used tC goes for $6-8k and not $20k. Don't compare a used up car to that of a brand new one that has been modded. I don't play the "price" game anyway, because there are junkyarders like a CRX and do a motor swap + boost to that would own a crap load of cars....The proverbial "Price" war is a matter of personal taste in vehicles and what you can and can't afford.

Spending 10k on a 370 will not Hands down net better results than spending 20k on a tC....that's where you lack in experience in terms of racing or knowledge of what can be had for $20k into a tC. If you gave me $20k and a bone stock tC, I would return back to you a 600-700whp Track bruiser. The 370 would be no where near that neighborhood in power for one, and two, you will spend $10k just bolting on a Twin turbo Setup to a stock motor and then spend whatever is left over trying to combat heating issues. I've owned a 350z....you have to remove the motor to install twin turbos on it. 10k to do that equates to a built motor and turbo on a tC that would murder a Stock motor Twin Turbo 350z (drag racing that is).

Why did you sell your 350z and downgraded to a Scion tc?

Why didn't you buy a 370z or something.

I'm sorry i guess that just me,

I was watching some videos on you tube of people's modded scion tc and it's like watching some glorified Honda civics, i couldn't stop laughing.

I would have loved to go to the track with you with that Scion tc, how much whp does it have again?

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by 2jz-gte4life

Why did you sell your 350z and downgraded to a Scion tc?

Why didn't you buy a 370z or something.

I'm sorry i guess that just me,

I was watching some videos on you tube of people's modded scion tc and it's like watching some glorified Honda civics, i couldn't stop laughing.

I did not downgrade to a Scion tC, I owned the tC BEFORE owning the Z. Sold the Z after 3yrs of owning it and modded what I could without destroying the bank account. Would have loved twin turbos, but as mentioned, the amount of work involved just to install a TT setup would set you back $10k+ and that's just on a stock motor. Then there is the transmission. It was not until 2006 that the 350z had a decent trans to handle any abuse.

I have two son's 3yrs and 1yrs old. Needed a 4 door 4seater (the lady wanted a Crossover, so we got an FX35).

If you want vids of modded tC's then ask. Everything from 9, 10, 11sec 1/4 mile tC's, to 600+whp dynos, to passing R35 GTR's at the track can be found.

It's rather absurd to think that Ricers don't exist in every Tuner community.

[2jz-gte4life]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

I did not downgrade to a Scion tC, I owned the tC BEFORE owning the Z. Sold the Z after 3yrs of owning it and modded what I could without destroying the bank account. Would have loved twin turbos, but as mentioned, the amount of work involved just to install a TT setup would set you back $10k+ and that's just on a stock motor. Then there is the transmission. It was not until 2006 that the 350z had a decent trans to handle any abuse.

I have two son's 3yrs and 1yrs old. Needed a 4 door 4seater (the lady wanted a Crossover, so we got an FX35).

If you want vids of modded tC's then ask.

I've seen video's of modded tc's and it reminds me of riced out civics.

That's just my opinion, there small cheap cars that young kids like to mod because they're cheaper to buy.

You should have stayed with the 350z and saved up for the tt or maybe wait for the 370z, but that just me

[70NYD]

Omfg u just keep spewing shit all the time... Over it.. No point arguing with you, clearly a fanboy that doesn't know much better.
Most of my degree was centered around cars and performance and racing, with a lot f hands on work so for lack of experience.. LOL
Difference between u and me is that you think u know what your talking about. I know what I am talking about

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by 70NYD

Omfg u just keep spewing shit all the time... Over it.. No point arguing with you, clearly a fanboy that doesn't know much better.
Most of my degree was centered around cars and performance and racing, with a lot f hands on work so for lack of experience.. LOL
Difference between u and me is that you think u know what your talking about. I know what I am talking about

Guess you didn't pay much attention in class. Difference between you and me is that I can back up what I say because I'VE DONE IT.


- And Just fyi...all the street races mentioned were with me being on 8-9lbs of boost on a small 16G turbo, not some crap load of boost, or some large turbo...just want to put that out there so there is no mistake or assumptions on what I was running when I beat those cars.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by 2jz-gte4life

I've seen video's of modded tc's and it reminds me of riced out civics.

That's just my opinion, there small cheap cars that young kids like to mod because they're cheaper to buy.

You should have stayed with the 350z and saved up for the tt or maybe wait for the 370z, but that just me

Would need to push a lot into it to get the same out of my tC. Would have to combat the weight, trans, labor cost with removing the motor...etc. Just a lot more work involved to bring it up to speed of a turbo tC that I can bolt on the kit in less than 4hrs.

I have only spoken of my races, but there are my friends with boosted tC's as well (my car club), whom have taken down the likes of a Supercharged 350z pushing 380whp, Corvette Z06, 350z w/100 shot...etc.

My boy was pushing a 57mm turbo at about 11lbs of boost, stock motor of course.

The tC is just an easier avenue to build on. It provides me with immediate gratification rather than having to wait years to Twin Turbo my Z. Plus the blood, sweat and tears I've put into her....there was no way it was going to leave before the Z did.