Toyota 86 vs Cayman - Wheels Magazine australia review

[ydooby]

Originally Posted by pkny

Pdf copy is in another thread:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...907#post210907

Thanks. I converted the PDF to high-res images for ease of viewing.

[Rampage]

Interesting article but using their criteria I bet the 86 would murder the LFA.

[ChadSexington]

Were I a new Cayman owner, I would be crushed.

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by enigma

Ack... My S2000 just inched closer to a classified ad...

I was comparing the S2000, RX-8, and MX-5 Miata to the FR-S in my mind yesterday and I came to this conclusion: The S2000 is more high strung and almost race-car like. The FR-S is more relaxed and traditional sports car like. It doesn't have as much grip as the S2000 but that's what makes it fun. So in a way, you would be stepping down in performance but stepping up in fun.

Originally Posted by Rampage

Interesting article but using their criteria I bet the 86 would murder the LFA.

Yeah, but fast cars are often not fun cars. Sure, you are impressed by the speed and grip but on the streets, that can only go so far.

Originally Posted by ChadSexington

Were I a new Cayman owner, I would be crushed.

That reminds me of the 458 Italia review by Jeremy Clarkson when he's like, "If I had just bought a Ferrari F430, I would probably want to commit suicide right now."

[enigma]

Originally Posted by Bristecom

I was comparing the S2000, RX-8, and MX-5 Miata to the FR-S in my mind yesterday and I came to this conclusion: The S2000 is more high strung and almost race-car like. The FR-S is more relaxed and traditional sports car like. It doesn't have as much grip as the S2000 but that's what makes it fun. So in a way, you would be stepping down in performance but stepping up in fun.



Yeah, but fast cars are often not fun cars. Sure, you are impressed by the speed and grip but on the streets, that can only go so far.


That reminds me of the 458 Italia review by Jeremy Clarkson when he's like, "If I had just bought a Ferrari F430, I would probably want to commit suicide right now."

I would agree with you about the S being almost like a 'race car for the street' type vehicle. It's loud and uncomfortable when you're just putting along, but there are few vehicles as engaging and few vehicles whose engines make me smile as much as the S2000. I find myself rev matching everywhere I go just so I (and everyone else, seeing as I have a loud exhaust) can just hear the F20 unwind down the rev range.

And yeah, you're right about not all 'fast' cars being that much fun. My car before my S was a 480 rwhp 300ZX Twin Turbo... Really awesome car, went like stink on the highway, and was always impressive to passengers, but it wasn't exactly the most fun car to drive. Sure, a quick highway blast is definitely entertaining, but dip that thing into a corner at a decent pace, and it felt more uncomfortable than running out of toilet paper in a public stall.


That being said, I got very close to working out a deal today on an FR-S and trading in my S, even though I know I'd get more selling it on my own. Luckily (and unluckily) for me, the vehicle that the dealer initially thought was available turned out to be pre sold. I think as long as the car is 90% as engaging and entertaining as the S2000 (which, from early reviews, it seems like it will be), it will be a good purchase seeing as it will be about 200% more comfortable and practical as a DD.

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by enigma

I would agree with you about the S being almost like a 'race car for the street' type vehicle. It's loud and uncomfortable when you're just putting along, but there are few vehicles as engaging and few vehicles whose engines make me smile as much as the S2000. I find myself rev matching everywhere I go just so I (and everyone else, seeing as I have a loud exhaust) can just hear the F20 unwind down the rev range.

And yeah, you're right about not all 'fast' cars being that much fun. My car before my S was a 480 rwhp 300ZX Twin Turbo... Really awesome car, went like stink on the highway, and was always impressive to passengers, but it wasn't exactly the most fun car to drive. Sure, a quick highway blast is definitely entertaining, but dip that thing into a corner at a decent pace, and it felt more uncomfortable than running out of toilet paper in a public stall.


That being said, I got very close to working out a deal today on an FR-S and trading in my S, even though I know I'd get more selling it on my own. Luckily (and unluckily) for me, the vehicle that the dealer initially thought was available turned out to be pre sold. I think as long as the car is 90% as engaging and entertaining as the S2000 (which, from early reviews, it seems like it will be), it will be a good purchase seeing as it will be about 200% more comfortable and practical as a DD.

Yeah, the sound of the S2000 engine is the best of all 4 cylinder car engines IMO. But as a daily driver, the FR-S is that much more practical and fuel efficient and comfortable while, as you say, about 90% as engaging. But I think it will be even more entertaining because of the more progressive balance and lower limits.

BTW, did you get to sit in the FR-S? If so, what were your impressions in comparison?

[ZetaVI]

86 wins. World changes forever..

[czar07]

Originally Posted by Bristecom

That reminds me of the 458 Italia review by Jeremy Clarkson when he's like, "If I had just bought a Ferrari F430, I would probably want to commit suicide right now."

haha that was to piss off James May, because he had just bought a 430.

[blur]

I like how they said the BRZ was made firmer in the front to make it feel like a WRX, lol... sometimes I wonder what in the world is subaru thinking haha.

[luxmn]

center of gravity 0.71in (18mm) lower than the Cayman, oh yeah, the race for horse power is over

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Rampage

Interesting article but using their criteria I bet the 86 would murder the LFA.

From what I've read about the LFA, probably not. The same qualities that make the 86 stand out among it's peers is are the same as what makes the LFA stand out in it's rarified air. I guess you could go far out on a limb and say the 86 is the layman's LFA, less the glorious orgasm inducing sound and 352hp for a $350k discount?

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Bristecom

Yeah, the sound of the S2000 engine is the best of all 4 cylinder car engines IMO.

Have you ever heard a 4AGE 20V on full song?

[xbladex0]

wow great read! now i really wan this car in time in time.... times are really changing!

[civicdrivr]

Originally Posted by Matador

Have you ever heard a 4AGE 20V on full song?

Im partial to the S14B23.