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Originally Posted by Dimman

The mentioned brands, JDL, PTuning and Nameless are the high end. Out of those 3 Nameless is the mid price. These are all original design, craftsman made with quality sourced materials.

You bought your header for the sole reason of wanting a Nameless header but being too fucking cheap to buy it.

There are plenty of $500 headers that aren't knock offs. This header has no dyno charts. It's unproven. The only thing this has is that it is a direct copy of the Nameless one. Nameless being recognized as one of the top tier manufacturers for this platform.

Good for you claiming you 'respect' their work, but buying the knock off. You're either a flat out liar or one of the stupidest self absorbed pieces of shit the world has ever seen.

Alright I will play because you're obviously an idiot and the truth escapes you.

I have bought 2 other brands and had already bought another OFH but the shipping delays made it something I no longer wanted to wait for.

I personally would have NEVER bought a Nameless for multiple reasons the main being EL is not really what I like on this car because I like the UEL sound. However this popped up someone had to try it and I figured why not see what it does it's supposed to be great but upon release the Nameless didn't really turn out to be as great as expected I believe the P-Tuning was just as nice if not better.

You are arguing and hurling insults because frankly you have tried to make a fight out of something that did not exist because you seem to think you have everything figured out. Frankly you have an opinion and it's a very narrow minded opinion.

So think of me as stupid or however else you want to justify your actions but the only fool is the one who felt the need to act as such where there was no issue to begin with.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Cross

Alright I will play because you're obviously an idiot and the truth escapes you.

I have bought 2 other brands and had already bought another OFH but the shipping delays made it something I no longer wanted to wait for.

I personally would have NEVER bought a Nameless for multiple reasons the main being EL is not really what I like on this car because I like the UEL sound. However this popped up someone had to try it and I figured why not see what it does it's supposed to be great but upon release the Nameless didn't really turn out to be as great as expected I believe the P-Tuning was just as nice if not better.

You are arguing and hurling insults because frankly you have tried to make a fight out of something that did not exist because you seem to think you have everything figured out. Frankly you have an opinion and it's a very narrow minded opinion.

So think of me as stupid or however else you want to justify your actions but the only fool is the one who felt the need to act as such where there was no issue to begin with.

Won't buy Nameless header because EL.

Buys exact Nameless knock off which is also EL.

PTuning is $100 more than Nameless, which is why you didn't buy it either.

But hey, you're doing it to benefit the community with your 'research'. Thanks for that.

My bad.

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Originally Posted by Dimman

Won't buy Nameless header because EL.

Buys exact Nameless knock off which is also EL.

PTuning is $100 more than Nameless, which is why you didn't buy it either.

But hey, you're doing it to benefit the community with your 'research'. Thanks for that.

My bad.

You're really going to keep fishing for something aren't you?

I also did the STS Prototype Turbo kit on my FRS, but hey it's because I was cheap right?
I built a 408 Stroker sparing no expense but I did that because I am cheap, same about the Stage 2 Trans with other upgrades. But I'm cheap.
I did Gen 3 Swaps with Megasquirt PNP units on MR2's because I am cheap.
(I can keep going).

I tried this EL because price, availability and to see if it could change my mind but honestly I expect to go after a UEL after a while because frankly I like that setup more.

God forbid anyone try something or see how a product came out, that's not something anyone needs... It's just insane and unheard of no one does that.

Your benefit has been clear, insults and arguing because it has to be your view or nothing.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Cross

You're really going to keep fishing for something aren't you?

I also did the STS Prototype Turbo kit on my FRS, but hey it's because I was cheap right?
I built a 408 Stroker sparing no expense but I did that because I am cheap, same about the Stage 2 Trans with other upgrades. But I'm cheap.
I did Gen 3 Swaps with Megasquirt PNP units on MR2's because I am cheap.
(I can keep going).

I tried this EL because price, availability and to see if it could change my mind but honestly I expect to go after a UEL after a while because frankly I like that setup more.

God forbid anyone try something or see how a product came out, that's not something anyone needs... It's just insane and unheard of no one does that.

Your benefit has been clear, insults and arguing because it has to be your view or nothing.

And I'm the CEO of Rolex SA, which is why I hate knockoffs so much. Nevermind the fact that all things I do contradict this statement. What I tell you right now is the real truth.

I look forward to your review of the knockoff of the next Submariner. How it performs is critical knowledge to people. How well did these dishonest jackasses do their job?

Excellent copying, great knockoff! 8/10!!! Would buy again. +++++++++++!!!

You are a saint, and your sacrifice is duly noted.

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Originally Posted by Dimman

And I'm the CEO of Rolex SA, which is why I hate knockoffs so much. Nevermind the fact that all things I do contradict this statement. What I tell you right now is the real truth.

I look forward to your review of the knockoff of the next Submariner. How it performs is critical knowledge to people. How well did these dishonest jackasses do their job?

Excellent copying, great knockoff! 8/10!!! Would buy again. +++++++++++!!!

You are a saint, and your sacrifice is duly noted.

Now it's a contest of who we are, what we do etc. And supposedly I am just going to praise them only not be honest but of course nothing else goes with your narrative.

Well CEO of Rolex, nice choice in vehicles a MK3 and an FRS/BRZ. I'm just a lowly Veteran in the IT field with a family and my own business I have no idea what that must be like.
This just somehow makes your irrational attacks, assumptions and dislike for someone you know nothing about mean so much more.

Keep on going I am sure your amazing E-**** contest will be amazing for the those you need to impress for whatever reason you need to.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Cross

Now it's a contest of who we are, what we do etc. And supposedly I am just going to praise them only not be honest but of course nothing else goes with your narrative.

Well CEO of Rolex, nice choice in vehicles a MK3 and an FRS/BRZ. I'm just a lowly Veteran in the IT field with a family and my own business I have no idea what that must be like.
This just somehow makes your irrational attacks, assumptions and dislike for someone you know nothing about mean so much more.

Keep on going I am sure your amazing E-**** contest will be amazing for the those you need to impress for whatever reason you need to.

That is my point. I'm clearly not the CEO of Rolex. Actions trump e-words.

You claim you aren't buying it because you are too cheap for the real thing. You aren't buying Nameless because performance underwhelmed and it's EL. Not cost. Your claim.

You list a bunch of previous headers that are cheap, some are UEL, others have underwhelming performance.

This is why I don't believe you and your ridiculous claim to 'respect' a brand while buying the knockoff. I stand by what I said that you either a liar are self justifying to the point of blissful stupidity.

No amount of 'I built an awesome expensive car once, for reals' retroactive e-claims are going to trump what's already been observed.

I won't wish you harm over it, though. That's not cool.

Just shame.

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Originally Posted by Dimman

That is my point. I'm clearly not the CEO of Rolex. Actions trump e-words.

You claim you aren't buying it because you are too cheap for the real thing. You aren't buying Nameless because performance underwhelmed and it's EL. Not cost. Your claim.

You list a bunch of previous headers that are cheap, some are UEL, others have underwhelming performance.

This is why I don't believe you and your ridiculous claim to 'respect' a brand while buying the knockoff. I stand by what I said that you either a liar are self justifying to the point of blissful stupidity.

No amount of 'I built an awesome expensive car once, for reals' retroactive e-claims are going to trump what's already been observed.

I won't wish you harm over it, though. That's not cool.

Just shame.

Honestly who cares what you believe? You pick and choose what you want to believe to suit the narrative you support there is nothing more to it.

You can call OFH and Agency Power Cheap it's not going to offend me either, hell you can call Kook's cheap I really do not mind go for it as it means nothing.

What you're forcing here is you opinion that you have to be right because it's what you think when clearly that has not been my narrative. Not what I believe you have or have not done but hey if we go off your logic of what's been said then the CEO of Rolex comment says a lot on it's own doesn't it as does the comment of what brought down the 80's Supra and the MR2 instead of the logical reasons... but don't let that get in the way.

These are a cheaper version of Nameless's product and I am not arguing it even though I cannot really confirm it. All I have done is decided to try them even though I constantly state I like UEL's. I also have the option of JDL right here being in AZ but it has to be because I am cheap and/or stupid. Again insults you needed to try and prove a point for a reason lost on everyone else unless we look at your ego....

Either way, as I said before this has really just gone off the rails for no real reason. They exist and who cares who buys them it's nothing new and it never will be in any community.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Cross

Honestly who cares what you believe? You pick and choose what you want to believe to suit the narrative you support there is nothing more to it.

You can call OFH and Agency Power Cheap it's not going to offend me either, hell you can call Kook's cheap I really do not mind go for it as it means nothing.

What you're forcing here is you opinion that you have to be right because it's what you think when clearly that has not been my narrative. Not what I believe you have or have not done but hey if we go off your logic of what's been said then the CEO of Rolex comment says a lot on it's own doesn't it as does the comment of what brought down the 80's Supra and the MR2 instead of the logical reasons... but don't let that get in the way.

These are a cheaper version of Nameless's product and I am not arguing it even though I cannot really confirm it. All I have done is decided to try them even though I constantly state I like UEL's. I also have the option of JDL right here being in AZ but it has to be because I am cheap and/or stupid. Again insults you needed to try and prove a point for a reason lost on everyone else unless we look at your ego....

Either way, as I said before this has really just gone off the rails for no real reason. They exist and who cares who buys them it's nothing new and it never will be in any community.

So what was wrong with your UELs then?

You claim you don't like ELs.

You've never bought top tier headers for this platform.

You claim you were underwhelmed by Nameless headers numbers.

You've been dissatisfied for whatever reasons with previous headers.

These are clearly a copy of Nameless headers.

You claim that you are testing these despite underwhelming numbers and not liking EL.

You claim to respect Nameless yet despite them being rather unhappy with their R&D being ripped off by this knockoff you buy it anyways.

You are close to JDL which makes a proven quality header in a format you prefer, yet won't buy one.

This is not my narrative.

This is yours.

So now you test this knockoff header. Then what? It sucks, do you blame them or Nameless for the design? It rocks, do you run around telling everyone how it's awesome for less money than Nameless? Do you respectfully thank Nameless for the quality design that you purchased from someone else? Do you buy a replacement genuine Nameless header having 'tried before you buy' and found their design to be good without risking full upfront cost and can now safely buy the real thing?

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Originally Posted by Dimman

So what was wrong with your UELs then?

You claim you don't like ELs.

You've never bought top tier headers for this platform.

You claim you were underwhelmed by Nameless headers numbers.

You've been dissatisfied for whatever reasons with previous headers.

These are clearly a copy of Nameless headers.

You claim that you are testing these despite underwhelming numbers and not liking EL.

You claim to respect Nameless yet despite them being rather unhappy with their R&D being ripped off by this knockoff you buy it anyways.

You are close to JDL which makes a proven quality header in a format you prefer, yet won't buy one.

This is not my narrative.

This is yours.

So now you test this knockoff header. Then what? It sucks, do you blame them or Nameless for the design? It rocks, do you run around telling everyone how it's awesome for less money than Nameless? Do you respectfully thank Nameless for the quality design that you purchased from someone else? Do you buy a replacement genuine Nameless header having 'tried before you buy' and found their design to be good without risking full upfront cost and can now safely buy the real thing?

Why did I go away from UEL's? Because Once my motor blew I decided to go a different route but after delays from those I use to do engineering I cannot as well as handle the designs and mass production options I decided I did not want to wait any longer than the year I already had to get my car back on the road.
My Vette was lost in December because I was Daily Driving it and I shouldn't have been, yes now I have a GTO I like a lot but I did not want to be in an accident with my Vette where someone hit me and ran after all the work and time I had spent.

However why does any of that matter, you yourself said you don't believe what I have done or do so why ask? Because suddenly it suits you or you think it can prove your view(s)?

I did not like the Agency Power's I have made my feelings known before on that.
I liked the OFH's and would have no problem buying them again I just want the car back on the road and did not want to wait after having paid on the 30th and they are still facing issues because of port delays, nothing against them many are experiencing issues due to port delays.

I stumbled on these and decided after some research to try them just like I did with the Megan Coilovers sitting here when most know I hate Coilovers. I had the cash from selling a lot of my LS Stuff and decided why not try some new things since I know I am going to be disappointed in the fact the car is no longer FI? But again this is my personal say on what I have supposedly done so again you don't believe it.

As for JDL I may buy one, I may buy another OFH since I have a Vender account and I like supporting them they have been great, but it will be whatever suits me at the time based on how I feel. Hell I have been talking about selling the car and buying an NSX so who know's what I will do.

As for my review, it will be clear and on point to my opinion regardless of what others think. I can already say I have things to list that I do not like and things I do but I am obviously not done as we just finished putting the transmission in tonight. But please keep making assumptions to support your narrative in the hopes of somehow justifying this whole rampage of yours.

[burdickjp]

Originally Posted by Cross

I like UEL's.

Liking something which has such a dramatic impact on performance not because of the way it performs, but because of the way it SOUNDS just does not connect in my brain.

How about we show our appreciation for the developers and craftsmen who actually do this by putting something in our signature like: "I do not give money to R&D thieves" or something more direct and creative?
That way these punks get a constant reminder of what they're doing.

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Originally Posted by bur****jp

Liking something which has such a dramatic impact on performance not because of the way it performs, but because of the way it SOUNDS just does not connect in my brain.

How about we show our appreciation for the developers and craftsmen who actually do this by putting something in our signature like: "I do not give money to R&D thieves" or something more direct and creative?
That way these punks get a constant reminder of what they're doing.

Most Dyno's show the performance to not be so drastic with minor gains found down low on one and up top on another. With how minor they are I liked the Trq and Sound over the Higher End power that I did not need when boosted because frankly I had it.

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Originally Posted by JB86'd

They have the right to charge whatever they feel their product is worth, which includes development, production, etc. etc. Nobody is forced to buy it. Doesn't give anyone else the right to infringe on their design and undercut their original creation.

+1

Its worth as much as people are willing to pay for it.

[Canehda]

Originally Posted by Dimman

So what was wrong with your UELs then?

You claim you don't like ELs.

You've never bought top tier headers for this platform.

You claim you were underwhelmed by Nameless headers numbers.

You've been dissatisfied for whatever reasons with previous headers.

These are clearly a copy of Nameless headers.

You claim that you are testing these despite underwhelming numbers and not liking EL.

You claim to respect Nameless yet despite them being rather unhappy with their R&D being ripped off by this knockoff you buy it anyways.

You are close to JDL which makes a proven quality header in a format you prefer, yet won't buy one.

This is not my narrative.

This is yours.

So now you test this knockoff header. Then what? It sucks, do you blame them or Nameless for the design? It rocks, do you run around telling everyone how it's awesome for less money than Nameless? Do you respectfully thank Nameless for the quality design that you purchased from someone else? Do you buy a replacement genuine Nameless header having 'tried before you buy' and found their design to be good without risking full upfront cost and can now safely buy the real thing?

What are you trying to accomplish by cluttering this thread? To try and get no one to buy them? Because thats not going to happen...(look at all the people who still buy fa20club shit even though that owner is a primary example of an asshole). Or are you just trying to make yourself seem like some baller who has no time for cheap products because they are below you and people who use them are peasants? The second option seems to fit you a bit more with that rolex comment.

This forum really is shooting itself in the foot because people like OP get flamed for doing the community a favour by spending their own money testing out stuff, and some of you have the nerve to argue about his ethics? Let the OP actually add to the forums quality instead of having to defend his purchase from people who are likely never even going to buy headers.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Canehda

What are you trying to accomplish by cluttering this thread? To try and get no one to buy them? Because thats not going to happen...(look at all the people who still buy fa20club shit even though that owner is a primary example of an asshole). Or are you just trying to make yourself seem like some baller who has no time for cheap products because they are below you and people who use them are peasants? The second option seems to fit you a bit more with that rolex comment.

This forum really is shooting itself in the foot because people like OP get flamed for doing the community a favour by spending their own money testing out stuff, and some of you have the nerve to argue about his ethics? Let the OP actually add to the forums quality instead of having to defend his purchase from people who are likely never even going to buy headers.

Forfucksakes...

Really? Adding to forum quality by reviewing knockoffs?

Compared to the pages and pages Nameless and others like JDL and PTuning wrote that give a candid view on what goes on behind the scenes of parts development? Insight into manufacturing process, material sourcing, difficulties having to hire highly skilled tig welders to meet demand, frustration of having prototypes not meet expectations and be scrapped, honest dyno runs and comparos, etc...

But hey, this guy that's going to review a copy of one of those parts and maybe not even dyno it is a pillar of sainthood in the community?

Really?

And since you can't seem to understand the Rolex reference I'll try to spell it out real simple like for you. It isn't owning one that makes people better (I don't, few do). It's not being a fake-wearing douchebag that makes people better.