Scion FT-86 FR-S

[fernan2]

this is getting SO borring! new thread please, any one?

[oneday]

Originally Posted by 70NYD

A4 is a luxury cruiser.. not a track carm not straight from factory.. STRIP THE FUCK OUT OF IT and yes you can have some fun on a track with it..
cannot beleive you compared it to a cayman.. shows what you really think of a tC (by your analogy: A4 is to Cayman as tC is to mx5)

First of all, you don't strip the fuck out of a car and daily drive it.

Second of all, I did not compare a tC to a Cayman. If anything I compared the tC to an A4, but I didn't really do that--it was, as you pointed out, an analogy, designed to show you how your logic was flawed. Obviously I failed to do that. I'll try and think of a simpler way to communicate with you in the future.

For the record, I really do know someone that daily drives an A4 and tracks a Cayman and I really do own a tC and track a Miata.

[Calais]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

When the other guy is staring at my tail lights as I pull away....It won't matter what I'm driving cause I'm the won winning.

I love being underestimated though. That's why I won't debadge my tC, nor will I debage the FT if it comes out as a Scion. So there is no mistake that you just got your butt handed to you by a Scion.

When I walked on the Evo with my "Scion" who looks bad....Him or Me? How about the STI, or 240sx dudes who swapped in SR and RB20's only to lose to a Scion....go home retune and turn the boost up, and Lose again without me even changing anything....Yeah cause I should SOOO be ashamed to own a car that I love to Drive.

now now i was just stating i'd(and alot of others on this forum) rather hear the toyota jibes rather than scion ones, no need to get bitchy about it

p.s. i dont give a flying ____ who youve beaten honestly this aint a forum on who youve beaten nor your or ANY tc's its about a TOYOTA concept and we dont want it to be a scion because more than anything IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SCION nothing about this car says scion NOTHING, its based on a TOYOTA car meant to bring the sports car back to TOYOTA with SUBARU making an engine for it that will be modded by YAMAHA before it goes into the FT(FUTURE TOYOTA)- 86(as in TOYOTA AE-86) production car.

please tell me where you see scion fitting in there?

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by Calais

now now i was just stating i'd(and alot of others on this forum) rather hear the toyota jibes rather than scion ones, no need to get bitchy about it

p.s. i dont give a flying ____ who youve beaten honestly this aint a forum on who youve beaten nor your or ANY tc's its about a TOYOTA concept and we dont want it to be a scion because more than anything IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SCION nothing about this car says scion NOTHING, its based on a TOYOTA car meant to bring the sports car back to TOYOTA with SUBARU making an engine for it that will be modded by YAMAHA before it goes into the FT(FUTURE TOYOTA)- 86(as in TOYOTA AE-86).

please tell me where you see scion fitting in there?

God Bless America. I want it to be a Scion, you want it to be a Toyota. This thread is about the FT rumored to be a Scion. That has nothing to do with the rest of the entire forum, but this threads topic. Decisions are made by Toyota, so no matter how many forums we create or how many capped words we type.....They are the ones making the decisions.

What's a debate without an Opposition?

[fernan2]

the funny thing about this thread is that more than half of the people that are posting dont even live in the U.S. so they will get the toyota version any ways. so why are they fighting???

[Dragonitti]

^^Which makes it even funnier when they proclaim to know how much the Scion Brand sucks, yet they don't even have it available to them to even know what it's about. Pure Bandwagon riders....lol.

It's all good though. Like I said, don't matter to me if it's a Toyota or a Scion, I buy cars because I want them, not because of what joe-blow thinks of it.

[Calais]

i'll admit the closest ive come to a scion is the xb thats been rebadged here for whatever reason and to be honest i think its a waste of space in the toyota line up down here.

the reason why i dont what it to be a scion in the states is because it has no right to be in my opinion. this car is meant to bring toyota back on the world stage for a cheap sports coupe, and as u've pointed out the tc is doing that job in America just fine with scion(although from this forum and reading and seeing what i have from car shows on the internet scion is a brand for posers, and it first has to get away from all the visual customiseations to really be taken seriously in motorsport) so scion dosent need the ft toyota does because it has nothing sporty(oh god i hate that word).

and think about this there are about three of you who are defending scion and not that much more who say will buy it regardless if its a scion or a toyota and theres an overwhelming majority of people that say they wont buy it if it is a scion.

now if we look at it on a bigger scale (America) whoever will buy it as a scion will buy it as a toyota thats all the girls who will find them cute all the young kids looking for a rwd car thats cheap(theres not going to be that much of a price difference between toyota and scion) and the performance enthusiasts who dont care about badge now to those people add the men in their thirties who wouldnt own a scion because it isnt a very good way to pick up older women(yes its a toyota but im guessing women will think toyotas are alot more expnsive then scions so you'll get the gold diggers lol), people whove only had toyotas all their lives and only want to buy toyotas(not badge snobs just loyalists) and also the badge snobs.

thats a shit load more people thats more sales that means a more likely second generation model and more support in the aftermarket, and thats what this car is about because no matter how good this one is, if it sells well and is raced toyota is more likely to make a sharper next generation model and possibly other sports cars down the line if this succeeds.

and unfortuneately America is a major market for toyota and if this dosnt sell over there then we can most definately wave bye bye to the next gen for the rst of the world, thats why i care

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Calais

and unfortuneately America is a major market for toyota and if this dosnt sell over there then we can most definately wave bye bye to the next gen for the rst of the world, thats why i care

[Dark]

Originally Posted by Calais

i'll admit the closest ive come to a scion is the xb thats been rebadged here for whatever reason and to be honest i think its a waste of space in the toyota line up down here.

the reason why i dont what it to be a scion in the states is because it has no right to be in my opinion. this car is meant to bring toyota back on the world stage for a cheap sports coupe, and as u've pointed out the tc is doing that job in America just fine with scion(although from this forum and reading and seeing what i have from car shows on the internet scion is a brand for posers, and it first has to get away from all the visual customiseations to really be taken seriously in motorsport) so scion dosent need the ft toyota does because it has nothing sporty(oh god i hate that word).

and think about this there are about three of you who are defending scion and not that much more who say will buy it regardless if its a scion or a toyota and theres an overwhelming majority of people that say they wont buy it if it is a scion.

now if we look at it on a bigger scale (America) whoever will buy it as a scion will buy it as a toyota thats all the girls who will find them cute all the young kids looking for a rwd car thats cheap(theres not going to be that much of a price difference between toyota and scion) and the performance enthusiasts who dont care about badge now to those people add the men in their thirties who wouldnt own a scion because it isnt a very good way to pick up older women(yes its a toyota but im guessing women will think toyotas are alot more expnsive then scions so you'll get the gold diggers lol), people whove only had toyotas all their lives and only want to buy toyotas(not badge snobs just loyalists) and also the badge snobs.

thats a shit load more people thats more sales that means a more likely second generation model and more support in the aftermarket, and thats what this car is about because no matter how good this one is, if it sells well and is raced toyota is more likely to make a sharper next generation model and possibly other sports cars down the line if this succeeds.

and unfortuneately America is a major market for toyota and if this dosnt sell over there then we can most definately wave bye bye to the next gen for the rst of the world, thats why i care

Well said. For my entire life, I have had 5 cars, and they are nothing but Toyota/Lexus. I don't think I want to join Scion family.
You're right on this, if FT86 is successful in Toyota line's up, we might see Next Supra in the near future. When I said Supra, I mean another Supercar-and-Superbike-killer.

[nate89]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

You sound no smarter than the people who yell...

STILL A HONDA
STILL BE AN IMPORT

If the FT-86 comes out under Toyota you will get
STILL A TOYOTA
REMEMBER THE BRAKES ON THE LEFT
DON'T GET YOUR ACCELERATOR STUCK


Congrats on being THAT type of person. The general consensus don't even know what they are talking about when it comes to a tC or Scion at all, bad example there bud.

You are the one who came to this thread proclaiming the word of scion. Not sure what you were goin after with the whole gas and brake stuff, but whatever. Personally I don't care if you think I'm THAT (whatever "that" is) type of person, cause personally I don't care if you drive a 500hp geo, it's still a geo, and I'm still gonna be laughing my ass off.

And as previously mentioned, nothing about this car has scion written on it. This car is meant to pick up where Toyota left off 10 years ago. It's not to box it up, slap a entry-level brand emblem (*cough* scion *cough*) on it and sell it to kids.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by Calais

i'll admit the closest ive come to a scion is the xb thats been rebadged here for whatever reason and to be honest i think its a waste of space in the toyota line up down here.

the reason why i dont what it to be a scion in the states is because it has no right to be in my opinion. this car is meant to bring toyota back on the world stage for a cheap sports coupe, and as u've pointed out the tc is doing that job in America just fine with scion(although from this forum and reading and seeing what i have from car shows on the internet scion is a brand for posers, and it first has to get away from all the visual customiseations to really be taken seriously in motorsport) so scion dosent need the ft toyota does because it has nothing sporty(oh god i hate that word).

Some may want to see Toyota get back to having something in their line up like the FT, so I'm not going to knock on that. But that doesn't make it not suitable for the Scion line either.

Originally Posted by Calais

and think about this there are about three of you who are defending scion and not that much more who say will buy it regardless if its a scion or a toyota and theres an overwhelming majority of people that say they wont buy it if it is a scion.

That would be based on the forum you are visiting.

Originally Posted by Calais

now if we look at it on a bigger scale (America) whoever will buy it as a scion will buy it as a toyota thats all the girls who will find them cute all the young kids looking for a rwd car thats cheap(theres not going to be that much of a price difference between toyota and scion) and the performance enthusiasts who dont care about badge now to those people add the men in their thirties who wouldnt own a scion because it isnt a very good way to pick up older women(yes its a toyota but im guessing women will think toyotas are alot more expnsive then scions so you'll get the gold diggers lol), people whove only had toyotas all their lives and only want to buy toyotas(not badge snobs just loyalists) and also the badge snobs.

thats a shit load more people thats more sales that means a more likely second generation model and more support in the aftermarket, and thats what this car is about because no matter how good this one is, if it sells well and is raced toyota is more likely to make a sharper next generation model and possibly other sports cars down the line if this succeeds.

and unfortuneately America is a major market for toyota and if this dosnt sell over there then we can most definately wave bye bye to the next gen for the rst of the world, thats why i care

It's going to have an abundance of Support in the Aftermarket no matter if it's a Scion or a Toyota. There is nothing to suggest the aftermarket would be bigger under Toyota when the tC has a VAST aftermarket itself, and it's a coupe with an "economy" motor. They would sale more as a Toyota also based on the idea that Scion is suppose to be a more niche market and a direct targeted demographic. This is why people said Toyota/Scion made a mistake with the xB2 (since the redesign was not quirky and tried to appeal to the normal Toyota buyer). It's suppose to be Scion and suppose to appeal to a smaller group of demographic. It's not meant to be a global seller and be "boring" enough to be a mass seller (no offense, just saying the more radical the design the smaller the demographic).


PS....Thank you for actually making a valid opposition rather than the usual "Oh because Scion Sucks..ah..duh duha..duh.." response.

Originally Posted by nate89

You are the one who came to this thread proclaiming the word of scion. Not sure what you were goin after with the whole gas and brake stuff, but whatever. Personally I don't care if you think I'm THAT (whatever "that" is) type of person, cause personally I don't care if you drive a 500hp geo, it's still a geo, and I'm still gonna be laughing my ass off.

And as previously mentioned, nothing about this car has scion written on it. This car is meant to pick up where Toyota left off 10 years ago. It's not to box it up, slap a entry-level brand emblem (*cough* scion *cough*) on it and sell it to kids.

I didn't proclaim crap dude. I came in to say the lot of you don't know what you are talking about, and I'm pretty sure I've proved that.

Gas and Brake = Left Foot Braking on the Road Course.

Gas and Brake = Brake Boosting on the interstate.

Gas and Brake (RWD) = Burnout at the drag strip.

500hp Geo?....if there were Championships under Geo then I would pay them respect and not act like a Noob....that's the "THAT" type of person I was referring to. The type of person who can't give credit where credit is due simply because they are to immature to be a real enthusiast.

[70NYD]

ok dragonitty and oneway i have a few questions for you
would you buy this car if it was a DIHATSU??
because TOYOTA OWNS 51% of DIHATSU, its not interily impossible is it? (it is, tho very very very improbable)
what would you think then?
what would you think of a dihatsu frs?
would you think dihatsu suits it?
would you think its a piece of shit because its a dihatsu??

i think its obvious what the answers are..
now take THAT logic and look at EVERYONE ELSE'S POINT OF VIEW OF IT BEING A SCION RATHER THAN A TOYOTA
i personaly dont know what would be worse a scion or a dihatsu version (hypotheticaly speaking) but at last this will give you a point of view from a TOYOTA purist.
you 2 are clearly SCION LOVERS, and those tC's seem to have SOME sort of potential, and i understand that there is nothing like having a seemingly piece of shit car flog a expensive more powerful one, but noone is going to say that a dihatsu is a performance brand..
this gives you everyone elses point of view, the 95%+ of this forum who arent PRO scion

and daragonitti if you have modified your tC and made it better and faster and more responsive good for you
but while your SPECIFIC tC might be a fairly good one, the BASE car is still shit. nothing will change that. you can take ANY car and throw money at it untill it is the best it can be.. but thats not the point. at the end of the day, cars will be judged by what the majority of ppl can get out of them. if a majority does not spend a butfuckload of money to make their car best, rather uses it in its stock for (which isnt all that) than the cars reputation isnt all that..

[Matador]

Daihatsu >>> Scion. It's not a performance brand at all, but it has credentials. Not even close to the rice fest that is scion.

They wouldn't sell it in the states though

I think through all the arguing you guys have gone completely off track. It makes no sense to make it a daihatsu, or a scion because it simply won't achieve it's sales potential as either, nor it's razon de etre. The Toyota brand WILL NOT receive the
"re-invigoration" it seeks out in having created this concept, and it will not achieve it's sales potential. Period.

Forget about brand image and what not. That is what it comes down to.

[70NYD]

i know it will never be a daihatsu.. i also know that daihatsu has some reputation for cars (albeit not for any performance), however i laugh to my self every time i drive past one. i just picked something lesser than toyota to compare it to so that scion ppl can see how toyota ppl look at them, since scion purists will believe it should be a scion, even tho they should possibly drink some cyanide since they think scion>toyota...