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chucky12012 · 04-02-2015, 11:51 AM

I really doubt that they would come out and further define a model year by saying, well, it's legal if you have a 2013 that was built after date XXXX. It will either be legal for all 2013 models or none in my opinion.

Shark_Bait88 · 04-02-2015, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by chucky12012

I really doubt that they would come out and further define a model year by saying, well, it's legal if you have a 2013 that was built after date XXXX. It will either be legal for all 2013 models or none in my opinion.

Idk. If we're really trying to point out their legality via a loophole, I think it will come down to when the part actually could be had as a Port Option. If I were the one making an official ruling, that's how I would base it. I think it's a fair interpretation of the rules. Just like if there was a mid-year refresh with new parts. Those parts were not available on a car with say a MFD of 02/13, but they were on every car 06/13+.

In my opinion, it's fair to say that the parts are only legal on MY13 FR-Ss with a MFD after the parts availability in 07/13.

renfield90 · 04-02-2015, 12:16 PM

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^This makes me a little hesitant, but I ordered the springs anyways. Luckily I've got a buddy who will buy them off me if I can't determine that they're legal on my '13. The way I see it, if you can show that you car was manufactured after the TRD PNs introduction in early July '13 then you can make a strong case that the parts were an option for your vehicle.

I would think if you could make that case it would pretty easily follow that the entire production year is legal. I'm just glad the tires on my BRZ are getting hard and I'm a mediocre driver, or this would be frustrating.

Correct. If it was legal for part of the model year, it's legal for the whole model year.

The part numbers existed long before the parts were actually available. The part numbers were referenced on this forum as early as February 2013 (possibly earlier, I did not do a thorough search). I believe there were supply chain issues with the parts themselves, but it was always Toyota's intention to supply them as port installed options for 2013 and their own internal documentation (which I have) bears this out.

The SEB will be hearing from me if they rule poorly for 2013. If you have a 2013 don't go selling your springs just yet - nobody's lost a protest yet.

bholliday · 04-02-2015, 12:31 PM

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The SEB will be hearing from me if they rule poorly for 2013. If you have a 2013 don't go selling your springs just yet - nobody's lost a protest yet.

Plus, you might need them next year to compete with the S2000 and RS 1.0

Shark_Bait88 · 04-02-2015, 01:15 PM

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Correct. If it was legal for part of the model year, it's legal for the whole model year.

The part numbers existed long before the parts were actually available. The part numbers were referenced on this forum as early as February 2013 (possibly earlier, I did not do a thorough search). I believe there were supply chain issues with the parts themselves, but it was always Toyota's intention to supply them as port installed options for 2013 and their own internal documentation (which I have) bears this out.

The SEB will be hearing from me if they rule poorly for 2013. If you have a 2013 don't go selling your springs just yet - nobody's lost a protest yet.

Yeah, I plan on hanging onto them until I hear something concrete.

Shark_Bait88 · 04-02-2015, 01:17 PM

I just want an official ruling! haha

MPot · 04-02-2015, 02:54 PM

[QUOTE=renfield90;2196212]I believe there were supply chain issues with the parts themselves, but it was always Toyota's intention to supply them as port installed options for 2013 and their own internal documentation (which I have) bears this out. QUOTE]

So, are you willing to share this "Get out of jail" card?

Mike

renfield90 · 04-02-2015, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MPot

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Originally Posted by renfield90

I believe there were supply chain issues with the parts themselves, but it was always Toyota's intention to supply them as port installed options for 2013 and their own internal documentation (which I have) bears this out.

So, are you willing to share this "Get out of jail" card?

Mike

Yes, if/when that becomes necessary. Because they're internal to Toyota I don't want to just throw them out on the internet for all to see.

MPot · 04-02-2015, 04:20 PM

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Yes, if/when that becomes necessary. Because they're internal to Toyota I don't want to just throw them out on the internet for all to see.

That's completely understandable.
Thanks,
Mike

Briankbot · 04-02-2015, 07:07 PM

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Yes, if/when that becomes necessary. Because they're internal to Toyota I don't want to just throw them out on the internet for all to see.

That sure makes me feel better about all of this. Almost enough to click the "place order" button!

markw · 04-02-2015, 07:18 PM

And someone posted at jalopnik. Evidently a well defined rule is now vague. http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/ben...ac-1694612341#

bslate3 · 04-02-2015, 08:11 PM

What brake pads is everyone running? I was thinking about trying out the new Hawk 5.0's.

The stock brakes are pretty good for autocross, but I feel they could use a little more bite.

simpleisbest · 04-02-2015, 08:12 PM

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What brake pads is everyone running? I was thinking about trying out the new Hawk 5.0's.

The stock brakes are pretty good for autocross, but I feel they could use a little more bite.

I have them, but currently not a fan...

Briankbot · 04-02-2015, 09:28 PM

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And someone posted at jalopnik. Evidently a well defined rule is now vague. http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/ben...ac-1694612341#

I gave them my click and (as usual) I now feel like I lost an IQ point or two.

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chucky12012 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 2013 Asphalt Scion FR-S Location: Houston, TX Posts: 129 Thanks: 10 Thanked 41 Times in 27 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I really doubt that they would come out and further define a model year by saying, well, it's legal if you have a 2013 that was built after date XXXX. It will either be legal for all 2013 models or none in my opinion.

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MPot Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: SSC #79 Location: Buffalo Posts: 14 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 2 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	[QUOTE=renfield90;2196212]I believe there were supply chain issues with the parts themselves, but it was always Toyota's intention to supply them as port installed options for 2013 and their own internal documentation (which I have) bears this out. QUOTE] So, are you willing to share this "Get out of jail" card? Mike

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