SCCA Solo C Street Discussion

[chucky12012]

Originally Posted by renfield90

Could be union rules or something?

I have no idea, just seemed weird to me.

[xwd]

Originally Posted by chucky12012

So does it not matter that these port installed options don't appear to be available nationally? Anyone in the south/southeast see it as available to them on the website outside of a pure accessory?

Yeah I realized this the other day but didn't post something about it. You can't add performance parts to any Scion models in the Southeast.

Manufacturers usually farm out the port install stuff to other companies and it's possible whomever they contract it to can't install the parts on vehicles coming into the SE. Subaru has a port in Savannah, I don't know about Toyota/Scion.

Not sure if it throws a wrench into things or not. I'll try calling the dealer nearby tomorrow and see what they say. I talked to a guy last week about it and he seemed to think you could order the parts on the car, but you never know with dealer sales guys.

[markw]

Originally Posted by Laloosh

I dunno imo all you guys know this is bullshit and bending the rules. The only result from this is that you get bumped to BS next year and ruin the FRS in Cstreet. With that said do you think springs will even make that much of a difference?

It is not bending the rules, it is following the rules. The parts are allowed by the rules. I'm pretty sure the SEB is already aware. Here's the response I got from Doug.

The first page doesn't look real. It's not on letterhead, there is no logo, etc. It appears to be addressed to sanctioning bodies. I would think that SCCA is one of the major sanctioning bodies that would have classes for the FRS. SCCA didn't get a letter. Per the definition of "Standard Parts" in Section 12 of the 2015 SCCA Solo Rules (page 67), the suspension springs, sway bar kit, and quickshifter are compliant for all categories including Street for the 2014 and 2015 model years only. Hope this helps. I'll be glad to discuss this further. -Doug Doug Gill SCCA® Solo® Competition Manager 1-800-770-2055

[ViperASR]

Originally Posted by markw

I just got an email back from Doug Gill, he says the letter looks suspicious since there's no letter head.

Mark

Hey now....this isn't a Honda Civic transmission "tow package" option

[G_Ride]

Originally Posted by Rampage

Can we start a pool to see who is going to file the first protest on the TRD parts?

Rx8 driver?
MX-5 driver?
BRZ driver?
other FR-S driver?

Did anyone get these installed in time for El Toro?

Who is going to file a protest first? A BRZ driver.

Will there be someone at El Toro with the installed parts? I'm positive there's at least on FRS with the parts.

[markw]

Originally Posted by ViperASR

Hey now....this isn't a Honda Civic transmission "tow package" option

Haha, is that the one available only to a particular dealer in a small town in Texas? That resulted in like a 10 year ban didn't it? In my prior life I owned an STS 91 EF. My guess is that Doug already knew they were legal and it was just a matter of time. Right now the FRS isn't an overdog in class, so the whole issue may be moot.

Mark

[markw]

Originally Posted by dwx

Yeah I realized this the other day but didn't post something about it. You can't add performance parts to any Scion models in the Southeast.

Manufacturers usually farm out the port install stuff to other companies and it's possible whomever they contract it to can't install the parts on vehicles coming into the SE. Subaru has a port in Savannah, I don't know about Toyota/Scion.

Not sure if it throws a wrench into things or not. I'll try calling the dealer nearby tomorrow and see what they say. I talked to a guy last week about it and he seemed to think you could order the parts on the car, but you never know with dealer sales guys.

I don't think availability would matter, as they only had to be available on the car from the factory, which they were. That allows people in the SE to order the springs and install them, since I could get them on the car in my neck of the woods.

Mark

[coneracer30]

Originally Posted by markw

It is not bending the rules, it is following the rules. The parts are allowed by the rules. I'm pretty sure the SEB is already aware. Here's the response I got from Doug.

Curious why Doug only mentions 2014 and 2015 in his response. Is the letter not enough proof that the parts were available for the 13's?

James<-------owns a 2013.

[simpleisbest]

Originally Posted by dwx

Yeah I realized this the other day but didn't post something about it. You can't add performance parts to any Scion models in the Southeast.

Manufacturers usually farm out the port install stuff to other companies and it's possible whomever they contract it to can't install the parts on vehicles coming into the SE. Subaru has a port in Savannah, I don't know about Toyota/Scion.

Not sure if it throws a wrench into things or not. I'll try calling the dealer nearby tomorrow and see what they say. I talked to a guy last week about it and he seemed to think you could order the parts on the car, but you never know with dealer sales guys.

Wiki or Google SouthEast Toyota and Gulf Sates Toyota to get a glimpse and understand what is going on. Toyota Canada are similar. There are select regions that have limited autonomy from Mother Toyota when it comes to accessory planning and marketing, SE Toyota being an example. SE Toyota has been subcontracted out by Toyota to handle their own localization/distribution/marketing. For the most part, Toyota Motor Sales controls everywhere else and is an actual subsidiary of Toyota Motor Corporation (Japan). For the majority of us here in the US, what we get offered to us are Toyota products of from TMS.

Southeast Toyota and Gulf States are private distributors.

Select regions have their own control, thus you find Lone Star State badges on trucks in Texas and sometimes different floor mats in Canada (both examples of PPOs done at their local ports). Those select regions have a choice to accept what they want from the TMS approved factory port options, or can decide to make their own.

In the case of the TRD performance options we are talking about, it is very possible that those regions just didn't have interest in the accessories TMS was offering. Thus you may find them missing.

Regardless, all things from TMS are considered to be the official voice of Toyota. The same cannot be said for publications from SE Toyota.

Make sense?

[chucky12012]

Originally Posted by coneracer30

Curious why Doug only mentions 2014 and 2015 in his response. Is the letter not enough proof that the parts were available for the 13's?

James<-------owns a 2013.

This is an interesting response, this would mean not only does the BRZ become obsolete this year at the national level, but so does the 2013 FR-S. It also seems like the 2013 FR-S's at this weekend's pro solo (almost all of them in CS) would be out of luck with the TRD parts. I thought the leader of this movement, simpleisbest, said he emailed Doug already too, but I'm not sure he posted this response. Maybe he's just setting up his big TRD supporter, Manfred, for a surprise protest at the event, should be fun. Plus, he said the quickshifter is legal, which I don't believe is a port option...

[travisb]

Tomorrow is my first autocross of the year. The temperature is supposed to be between 37-43 degrees F around the time I would be running. I recently purchased 215/45/17 ZII star spec tires on new wheels. Will these be ok at this temp range or should I switch back to stock tires and wheels?

[Rampage]

Originally Posted by chucky12012

This is an interesting response, this would mean not only does the BRZ become obsolete this year at the national level, but so does the 2013 FR-S. It also seems like the 2013 FR-S's at this weekend's pro solo (almost all of them in CS) would be out of luck with the TRD parts. I thought the leader of this movement, simpleisbest, said he emailed Doug already too, but I'm not sure he posted this response. Maybe he's just setting up his big TRD supporter, Manfred, for a surprise protest at the event, should be fun. Plus, he said the quickshifter is legal, which I don't believe is a port option...

The simple solution for the SCCA would seem to be to just say, "Yes, these parts are legal for street. We already have FR-S classed with those parts in BS. So, any car equipped with those parts will be legal..........in BStreet."

That is the simple solution and we all know simple is best!

[coneracer30]

Originally Posted by Rampage

The simple solution for the SCCA would seem to be to say, "Yes, these parts are legal for street. We already have FR-S classed with those parts in BS. So, any car equipped with those parts will be legal..........in BS."

That is the simple solution and we all know simple is best!

I have been thinking that this is probably the best solution as well. Doesn't make sense to alienate all of the BRZ owners. Besides, nobody is actually taking delivery of a car with these parts on them which will force many to have to buy and install them.

I will admit that it appears they may be legal now, but continuing to allow them (in CS) in my opinion is not best for the sport

[xwd]

Originally Posted by travisb

Tomorrow is my first autocross of the year. The temperature is supposed to be between 37-43 degrees F around the time I would be running. I recently purchased 215/45/17 ZII star spec tires on new wheels. Will these be ok at this temp range or should I switch back to stock tires and wheels?

You will still be much better off on cold ZIIs than the stock tires.