Positives & Negatives On Kraftwerks Supercharger vs Jackson Racing Kits

[ScionFR-S]

If going with the Jackson racing kit what other additions should I get to the package... I'm going to get an oil cooler what else would you recommend ?? I have an AT

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by ScionFR-S

If going with the Jackson racing kit what other additions should I get to the package... I'm going to get an oil cooler what else would you recommend ?? I have an AT

If you track, autocross, or see yourself doing elevated runs even on windy roads, that oil cooler is going to keep your engine oil temps and performance consistent. You don't really need an AT oil cooler unless you are shifting a lot. Other than that, no other required modifications are necessary. The kit is a bolt-on, flash, and go.

If you do end up driving faster, you should consider brake pads and brake fluid as the next upgrade, but that's only because you're going to be dissipating more energy than before while slowing down.

[sprintamx]

Originally Posted by ScionFR-S

If going with the Jackson racing kit what other additions should I get to the package... I'm going to get an oil cooler what else would you recommend ?? I have an AT

What are your power and daily drivability goals? Research whether you might need fuel injectors and a pump to handle increased flow on e85; research the value of installing a catless header; research installing an upgraded MAF and a wide-band o2 sensor for more precise tuning and power; research whether you'll want a flex fuel system if you plan to move between e85 and standard pump gas.


None of this stuff is necessary with the JRSC. As the CSG guys have said time and time again: install, flash and go really does work with this setup. The good thing is you can easily and happily use the well developed JR tune, or just as easily go with a 3rd party tuner like Delicious or Moto-East, etc. Personally, I opted for several upgrades and had Moto-East do the full install. Excellent work and tuning.


The point of all this is that the JR kit is very plug 'n play and a complete solution in its own right, but if you want to tweak, there's lot of easy options too.


Enjoy!

[ScionFR-S]

Originally Posted by CSG David

If you track, autocross, or see yourself doing elevated runs even on windy roads, that oil cooler is going to keep your engine oil temps and performance consistent. You don't really need an AT oil cooler unless you are shifting a lot. Other than that, no other required modifications are necessary. The kit is a bolt-on, flash, and go.

If you do end up driving faster, you should consider brake pads and brake fluid as the next upgrade, but that's only because you're going to be dissipating more energy than before while slowing down.

My goals are to add some more power to add to the fun of my daily driving. I don't autocross or go on windy roads as I live in NYC... I have installed hawk hps pads about four months ago and very happy with them. I will look into getting SS brake lines, Motul brake fluid, maybe new slotted and drilled rotors. I have already a catless open flash UEL header, Perrin overpipe, motiv hfc front pipe stock mid pipe and Greddy axleback exhaust. I will stay on 93 octane and not transfer over to e85 at all bc it's not available near me
Goals are to have a bad ass car that's fun and can beat most punks who want to see what this little car can do. ** I also have an AUTO FRS will that be a problem with this kit ?

[ScionFR-S]

I never go over 80-90 mph ... Very very rare that I do bc if I hit one pothole then im DONE haha I like to get my 0-60 time was down ... Acceleration is what I'm into

[D K]

There is no downside besides costs - to running a 38 vs 30.

Bone stock engine, mild tune, 100% reliable so far at over 10 trackdays.

[enivid]

Originally Posted by D K

There is no downside besides costs - to running a 38 vs 30.

Bone stock engine, mild tune, 100% reliable so far at over 10 trackdays.

There seems to be a downside. A local tuner in my state did a c38 86 and called it "a bit laggy". A bit laggy for an extra 20hp? Pass.

[D K]

Originally Posted by enivid

There seems to be a downside. A local tuner in my state did a c38 86 and called it "a bit laggy". A bit laggy for an extra 20hp? Pass.

Not sure who your tuner is, but last time I checked on wikipedia, superchargers didnt have any lag.

You can run much lower boost for the same power.

D

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by ScionFR-S

Just as the title says any info is appreciated... I'm daily driving not tracking the car so I'm not looking to go above 300hp with a big blower. I'm asking more about the longevity of the kit and which one would be more suited to last a long time without prematurely blowing the engine. Obviously shit happens but wondering which is my best bet from your experience

I would also recommend you to search, search and search some more.. another good advice would be asking tuners and read owners' threads, this is a serious investment , FYI, this is a comparison thread posted by DriftOffice :

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1624913

I've been using KW kit for track days (standard size SC and pulley) and can't be happier, although the differences are small, being able to drive the car if belt snaps, upgrade-ability, bigger Intercooler (results in lower IATs proven in the test) , and the customer service experience is just great.. oh almost forgot to mention, it was also cheaper when group buy was offered, and obviously there are a lot more KW owners, for the reasons I mentioned above, good luck

[sw20kosh]

Belts are not supposed to snap on a properly designed system. I haven't heard of any JRSC belts snapping. I have heard of more than a few KW belts snapping though...

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by ScionFR-S

My goals are to add some more power to add to the fun of my daily driving. I don't autocross or go on windy roads as I live in NYC... I have installed hawk hps pads about four months ago and very happy with them. I will look into getting SS brake lines, Motul brake fluid, maybe new slotted and drilled rotors. I have already a catless open flash UEL header, Perrin overpipe, motiv hfc front pipe stock mid pipe and Greddy axleback exhaust. I will stay on 93 octane and not transfer over to e85 at all bc it's not available near me
Goals are to have a bad ass car that's fun and can beat most punks who want to see what this little car can do. ** I also have an AUTO FRS will that be a problem with this kit ?

If you're looking for some potent setup, SS lines and slotted/drilled rotors for the street don't do anything special. Based on those bolt-ons, you will need to have a tune done on your car. Most tuners here do Speed Density tunes. The tuning done on our car is a hybrid MAF/MAP setup.

[D K]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

Belts are not supposed to snap on a properly designed system. I haven't heard of any JRSC belts snapping. I have heard of more than a few KW belts snapping though...

Same here.

People keep talking about the hypothetic possibility of being stranded when the belt breaks.
Has any JR owner been stranded due to a belt snapping? Any other reason?

Hat about NA guys when their belt snaps?..?
Has that happened?

If your belt was to snap, I think you would have bigger fish to fry at that point.

We are prototyping the 38 for JR and I have to say its been dead nuts reliable.
And thats a pre production unit..

D

[wootwoot]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

Belts are not supposed to snap on a properly designed system. I haven't heard of any JRSC belts snapping. I have heard of more than a few KW belts snapping though...

Agreed. I have read of KW owners going through belts every 3k. I have also talked to others that never had an issues. But I have never heard of a JR belt snapping. Just saying... And KW also promised a CARB tune was going to happen literally years ago. That's what I was waiting for before I purchased. Had to move on. In my mind there is little to compare. One looks good, the other performs good. Take your pick.

[D K]

I dont want to throw anybody under the bus here because I belive both are good units.

But, when I spoke with Rotrex directly, they advised me to stay away from a cog belt.
They said DEFINITELY dont hit a had rev limiter with a cog belt.

That is my experience and YMMV