2015 WRX vs. FR-S/BRZ

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

I've been the same since before I bought the car. I'm not anti twin. Far from it as I still recommend this car to people frequently; people who specifically looking for this kind of car. I enjoy knowing you feel the need to spend your time checking up on my history on this forum though..



What attitude? That I'm being a realist? That im saying a 4 door awd car is more of a practical everyday vehicle to the vast majority of people in America? That the two cars appeal to people in different ways and that to a vast majority of people, the WRX may be more appealing because it offers more for the money? I've agreed with some of the previous mentioned but some of this that comes out of peoples' mouths is a bit ridiculous.

"Looks like a C7 Vette" "Drives like a Supercar".... Seriously? Surprised nobody has said it looks or sounds like a Zonda yet. Being a proud owner is one thing. Being oblivious and delusional is another. I'll say the Focus ST looks like an Audi RS3 Sportback and the WRX looks like an M3 then if that's the case.

Now I'll just wait for the inevitable response coming talking about my piss poor attitude and how I hate everything involving the car. Talk about passing judgement.

Funny to see you backpedaling all of a sudden... Yeah, you said, it's more appealing to a vast majority of people...lol

No you said, it's a better car for the money, END OF STORY...COMPLETELY DIFFERENT things...

You do realize that acknowledging similarities between things is a strictly human trait and epitomizes subjectivity???

You say it's ridiculous to say the twin looks like a C7??? Not compared to a WRX looking like a C7 it's not. All is relative.

Same as saying a WRX looks like an M3... Well, a four door M3 looks a lot more like a WRX than a twin.

As far as better car for the money.. end of story...

Again, even that is completely subjective. What type of money are we allowed to put into both cars??? Are we only going stock for stock???

Are we only talking performance or does that include aesthetics???

As soon as you include aesthetics, you need to throw your 'end of story' crap out the window. There can be no 'end of story' regarding something subjective.

If you're talking a limited modification budget since the type of enthusiasts we're discussing here aren't likely to leave either one stock, then you've got to set limits to determine which is the better performer for the money.

Because you can't both increase the performance and reduce the weight of the WRX etc, for the same amount of money that you can increase the performance of the twins...

Jaden

[cdrazic93]

Originally Posted by P86RAVES

Being quick and having great handling are mutual exclusive.

Ill give you some advice.

Nice tires, some suspension and components, coupled with an s/c or turbo and boom. FR porsche.

When i say suspension, i dont mean budget $2000 coilovers. I mean the whole works; bushings, T2's or one way AST's or MCS', LCA's, rear diff.

[Yoda]

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by echo419

it's like banging a porn star with small boobs or ass. sure those qualities aren't great but she's got 10x the skill of that cheerleader with those attributes you smashed in HS.

This guy gets it.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by Jaden

Funny to see you backpedaling all of a sudden... Yeah, you said, it's more appealing to a vast majority of people...lol

No you said, it's a better car for the money, END OF STORY...COMPLETELY DIFFERENT things...

You do realize that acknowledging similarities between things is a strictly human trait and epitomizes subjectivity???

You say it's ridiculous to say the twin looks like a C7??? Not compared to a WRX looking like a C7 it's not. All is relative.

Same as saying a WRX looks like an M3... Well, a four door M3 looks a lot more like a WRX than a twin.

As far as better car for the money.. end of story...

Again, even that is completely subjective. What type of money are we allowed to put into both cars??? Are we only going stock for stock???

Are we only talking performance or does that include aesthetics???

As soon as you include aesthetics, you need to throw your 'end of story' crap out the window. There can be no 'end of story' regarding something subjective.

If you're talking a limited modification budget since the type of enthusiasts we're discussing here aren't likely to leave either one stock, then you've got to set limits to determine which is the better performer for the money.

Because you can't both increase the performance and reduce the weight of the WRX etc, for the same amount of money that you can increase the performance of the twins...

Jaden

Back pedaling? Nothing I have said has changed since the beginning. I've acknowledged certain views are subjective and agreed with different points about the FRS being more appealing or "better" than the WRX in certain ways.

Furthermore, do yourself a favor re read my post where I said end of story. I said: "I traded a 2012 WRX that I owned for a year for an FRS. I still say to this day, throughout my entire FRS ownership experience, that the WRX is without a doubt, the better all around car. No comparison. The end." Read that again. ALL AROUND. ALL. AROUND.

I can't help but notice that I didn't mention anything about aesthetics. I also can't help but notice that I haven't mentioned anything about the value of modifying these cars and the value per dollar per mod.

I've given information based on my ownership experience of both cars. Take it for what it is. Don't like it? Don't have to. I'm giving REALISTIC info on both cars from personal experience. I'm not sitting here saying my old WRX felt like an Audi on the inside and rode like a Rolls Royce while having the driving feel of a CTS V. Why? Cause I'm being real.

Fuck how is this even still a conversation? Realize that in all reality, you and I are agreeing on almost everything. The difference is you currently favor the twins for personal reasons and needs, and while I DID favor the twins, I now have different needs and interests in a car, thus the WRX is better suited for me.

Even Tcoat agrees with me. Sure, I may sound like a **** in my posts but I'm being blunt and honest. Don't like it? Whatever. But an opinion was asked for and I gave it.

[fatalelement]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Even Tcoat agrees with me.

Hahahaha this is the new standard for arguments

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[tahdizzle]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Back pedaling? Nothing I have said has changed since the beginning. I've acknowledged certain views are subjective and agreed with different points about the FRS being more appealing or "better" than the WRX in certain ways.

Furthermore, do yourself a favor re read my post where I said end of story. I said: "I traded a 2012 WRX that I owned for a year for an FRS. I still say to this day, throughout my entire FRS ownership experience, that the WRX is without a doubt, the better all around car. No comparison. The end." Read that again. ALL AROUND. ALL. AROUND.

I can't help but notice that I didn't mention anything about aesthetics. I also can't help but notice that I haven't mentioned anything about the value of modifying these cars and the value per dollar per mod.

I've given information based on my ownership experience of both cars. Take it for what it is. Don't like it? Don't have to. I'm giving REALISTIC info on both cars from personal experience. I'm not sitting here saying my old WRX felt like an Audi on the inside and rode like a Rolls Royce while having the driving feel of a CTS V. Why? Cause I'm being real.

Fuck how is this even still a conversation? Realize that in all reality, you and I are agreeing on almost everything. The difference is you currently favor the twins for personal reasons and needs, and while I DID favor the twins, I now have different needs and interests in a car, thus the WRX is better suited for me.

Even Tcoat agrees with me. Sure, I may sound like a **** in my posts but I'm being blunt and honest. Don't like it? Whatever. But an opinion was asked for and I gave it.

You're absolutely wrong in all accounts.

Why, because I said so. The BRZ is a better all around car for me when compared to the WRX. I'm single, I don't need nor want 4 doors, It gets me from A. to B. with a ride I am looking for.

For YOU the WRX may be a better all around car ( I have NO idea what could possibly have changed in 2 years, Maybe be you had a kid or you found a girl you would like to start a family with and you need 4 doors ).

But if all things have remained the same. Then its a FACT that you bought the wrong car. Because in 2 years all of the sudden 2 doors isn't practical?
Things like that should be taken in account when Purchasing a vehicle, anything long term for that matter.

I want you to be real and just Freaking say it.

Just say "I want a faster car". No one will judge you.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Even Tcoat agrees with me. Sure, I may sound like a **** in my posts but I'm being blunt and honest. Don't like it? Whatever. But an opinion was asked for and I gave it.

WHOOO I agree with "much" of it!

Yes, I agree that some guys go a little over the top with their enthusiasm for these cars.
Yes, I agree that the WRX may be more practical for some (personal bias aside)
Yes agree that personal preferences and needs vary.
Nope don't agree for one second that it is a "better" overall car!

Blunt and honest is cool but it needs to be clear that it is your opinion that you are being blunt and honest about not that what you say is fact! (otherwise you may have FunButSlow syndrome).

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by fatalelement

Hahahaha this is the new standard for arguments

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Cool! I always wanted to be the gold standard!

[P86RAVES]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

That would be the one trick. Because of the drive train, you can do things in a twin (like gymkhana, or just acting like an idiot) that you can't do, well, in any of those "Better performing" cars. If your metric is 0-60 and quarter mile times, there are better cars for the money no doubt. But there are other things than 0-60 and quarter mile times that can and do determine performance.


Confidence inspiring and exciting .... Well if you feel safe at X speed in a twin because you're confident that the car isn't going anywhere, you are probably driving at 6/10.

I'm sorry you are not excited at 6/10.

You're bench marking handeling "excitement" on your miata that has body roll in spades. Yes, I am sure you are going to feel more excitement in a corner when you think you will be up on 2 wheels at any moment.

Confidence inspiring and exciting are really two words that are totally subjective. If you do/did drive a twin at 8,9,10/10 and weren't excited, I feel for you.

Besides drifting and looking good, the other cars match or, in the Focus ST's case, beats the FT86.

The 86 isn't a bad car, it's just not this great thing so many try to make it seem.

Any nobody drives 6/10's on the Dragon.

[tahdizzle]

Originally Posted by P86RAVES

Any nobody drives 6/10's on the Dragon.

[P86RAVES]

Originally Posted by cdrazic93

Ill give you some advice.

Nice tires, some suspension and components, coupled with an s/c or turbo and boom. FR porsche.

When i say suspension, i dont mean budget $2000 coilovers. I mean the whole works; bushings, T2's or one way AST's or MCS', LCA's, rear diff.

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

.. I also can't help but notice that I haven't mentioned anything about the value of modifying these cars and the value per dollar per mod.

I wouldn't window shop a turbo for this car.

[malave7567]

The twins are, and always will be, a niche car. If you fit that niche, perfect! But with all niche cars, there will always be options for a similar price that get you more overall for the money. Back on the subject of the WRX, the only measurable it fails to beat the twins in is handling. For people who fit the niche of handling and driver feel above ALL ELSE, the twins win hands down. No one is arguing that. 2 door vs 4 door is subjective (styling choice), imo. Just so happens 4-door gives you more space to use your car for other things... but again, if you never will have to, a moot point.

Sounds like Tyler went back into the drift scene for a while, and now doesn't feel that itch anymore (I could be wrong, just guessing). I see no reason to blast him for switching his cars after two years. It's not like he had a gaudy build or kept complaining about the twins being too slow. That's a whole different situation.

[Twin4Life]

The twins are, frankly, a bargain basement, sports car. IMO, a bit over priced too. But what isnt? What they do offer is a FANTASTIC, and fun driving experience on a budget. Its not fast, its not flashy but it is VERY fun. If you need to haul a family around, this car isnt for you. If you need luggage space, look elsewhere. If youre really worried about MPG, why would you get a 2 door, RWD coupe? If you want a stop light to stop light champ...keep looking. If you want an orgasmic platform to scapel assault some twisties with a shit eating grin and not dropping $80 large of a Porsche....this chassis and platform is THE benchmark. Not my cup of tea, like others have said, its a niche platform. You wont be winning any races but fun factor is off the charts. Should be about $4K cheaper IMO but thats with everything.