S2000 vs 86 - 3 Years Development Later

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by kvnchu

CSG, do you guys know what the fastest time a 86 has done on BW 13cw with:
Coilovers
Wheels / Street Tires
Exhaust / Tune
Small supporting mods like roll centers / bushings /ect

I can give you a different time for different levels of modification, but with what you listed, a 1:57 (with basic aero) is very doable.

Ted's car can do a 1:54 given perfect conditions and a perfect lap, and it hasn't changed for a while now, minus addressing gremlins.

[kvnchu]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I can give you a different time for different levels of modification, but with what you listed, a 1:57 (with basic aero) is very doable.

Ted's car can do a 1:54 given perfect conditions and a perfect lap, and it hasn't changed for a while now, minus addressing gremlins.

What's basic aero? Oem wing? The 86 can run similar times now to the s2ks?

I was wondering on a wingless setup

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by kvnchu

What's basic aero? Oem wing? The 86 can run similar times now to the s2ks?

I was wondering on a wingless setup

Any "large" bolt-on wing and lip/splitter.

I think his car, wingless, can do a 1:57. Maybe faster with fatter tires.

[EAGLE5]

Reputable tuners include OFT, Moto East, Delicious Tuning, and Prime Motoring. I'm sure there are others. Element Tuning if you want to replace the ECU.

Jackson Racing, Full Blown, and Perrin make, to my knowledge, the most popular oil coolers. I've bought myself a MAP oil cooler, not yet received, because I'm a cheap ass and won't be going FI. An oil cooler is essential on the track. I'll see how my oil and coolant temps go. Not 100% sure if I need a larger radiator too.

For FI, the Jackson Racing super charger is a popular, reliable choice. Ptuning is probably the way to go for a track turbo kit. Not cheap, but the turbo location helps a lot with heat. SBD is the cheap turbo kit of choice. They're Zage in Taiwan, I believe, but CSG Mike has expressed concerns over heat and front-mounted turbos. Full Blown focuses on the drag racing. Element Tuning runs big power and has done a lot of development for track cars. If I were to build a turbo engine for major power that's reliable at the track, I'd talk to him. He's done a lot of work on oiling issues at high HP. He's also managed it all with a shitty FA20Club front mount turbo kit.

If I were you, I'd buy this car today: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2142833

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

If I were you, I'd buy this car today: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2142833

@kvnchu would destroy that car on track in less than a day...

but that's a hell of a price if the car's in good working condition.

[kvnchu]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

@kvnchu would destroy that car on track in less than a day...

but that's a hell of a price if the car's in good working condition.

lol come on.. im not THAT bad of a driver hahaha

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by kvnchu

lol come on.. im not THAT bad of a driver hahaha

Has nothing to do with you beating the car up... it's just not gonna last a track day with the existing setup.

[juliog]

Has anyone run sub-2 on an NA, street tire, non-aero twin yet? Fastest time for S2K in that configuration seems to be 1:59.xx.

[kvnchu]

Originally Posted by juliog

Has anyone run sub-2 on an NA, street tire, non-aero twin yet? Fastest time for S2K in that configuration seems to be 1:59.xx.

I dont think so. I think the fastest i heard was a 2.03 from nick tsui

ft86club handle "mtsui"

[DohcTor]

If you want a FUN & Reliable engine, go with the s2000. Amazing car

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by kvnchu

I've had both DI and Coilpack issues. I'll look into tuning but what is the coilpack fix?

Is oil cooling a big issue? I know s2k's have oil cooling issues but not many ppl seems to run coolers either way.

Oil cooling is highly recommended (some would say necessary) if you track regularly. Data shows oil temps rising above 260 F and oil pressure dropping as a result. AFAIK no one has lost an engine due to this and there are Twins at tracks without oil coolers so I'm not trying to blow this out of proportion, but just something to be aware of. Luckily the solution is simple - pretty much any oil cooler will work for a basic NA setup.

For coilpacks, there's no silver bullet. It's basically a matter of keeping under-hood temps down -- catless header, thermal coating the header/overpipe, hood vent, thermal taping the coilpack, etc. Luckily coilpacks aren't that expensive to swap.

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

@kvnchu would destroy that car on track in less than a day...

but that's a hell of a price if the car's in good working condition.

Other than turning down the boost, what would he need for a track day? It already has cooling and brakes. Maybe he could swap the hood too or add a larger cooler, but it looks pretty much done.

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by juliog

Has anyone run sub-2 on an NA, street tire, non-aero twin yet? Fastest time for S2K in that configuration seems to be 1:59.xx.

Yes...like 2 years ago by you know who, however, those conditions were basically perfect. Breaking the 59 mark is far easier now than last year. That new pavement is so nice now. Even with my personal car setup and on the brick tires, 59s are possible with sufficient balls. With fresh tires, we're looking at possible 57s or 58s.

[N_A]

I'm with most of the people here. I would choose the S2000 over the FRS in this case. My S2000 had about 120k miles when I sold it. It was religiously maintained. Only issue I had was the drive shaft going out but that was replaced under warranty. Did valve adjustment at 100k miles and it ran like new. My FRS has 35k miles now and has been trouble free (knock on wood). The FRS is no doubt a better daily driver.

For what you're looking to do with the car, the S2000 is a better option IMO.