No one could see the color blue before modern times? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

synchromesh · 03-10-2015, 02:30 AM

http://www.businessinsider.com/what-...e-color-2015-2

Tcoat · 03-10-2015, 07:09 AM

Click bait bull.

Blue

Lots of blue

Tcoat · 03-10-2015, 07:30 AM

Not only a pile of blue but the dude on the far left seems to really enjoy it (even with no head)

DohcTor · 03-10-2015, 08:02 AM

Apparently tcoot didn't bother to read the article. Lmfao

Captain Snooze · 03-10-2015, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DohcTor

Apparently tcoot didn't bother to read the article. Lmfao

You have no evidence to support that statement. What @Tcoat wrote does not infer that he has read or not read the article.

Captain Snooze · 03-10-2015, 08:47 AM

The title of this thread differs from what the article states:
"So before blue became a common concept, maybe humans saw it. But it seems they didn’t know they were seeing it.If you see something yet can’t see it, does it exist? Did colours come into existence over time? Not technically, but our ability to notice them may have…"
"May have" is the same as "may have not"

And this statement contradicts itself:
"If you see something yet can’t see it, does it exist?"

"This part gets a little complicated, because we don’t exactly what was going through Homer’s brain when he described the wine-dark sea and the violet sheep — but we do know that ancient Greeks and others in the ancient world had the same biology and therefore, same capability to see colour that we do."
This statement is taken as given; there is no mention of translation or poetic license that may have been used by Homer who is regarded as a great poet.
"Homer uses the word ιοδνεφής (usually translated as violet) to describe both the wool which Helen is spinning and the sheep of Polyphemus. Violet sheep? Gladstone says that it means 'black' sheep, and I'm sure he is correct. But look at the photo below of a 'black' Hebridean ram. Its fleece is not in fact pitch black, but actually a purplish-brownish colour. So Homer's term is more accurate than the English term. The colour is not violet as we understand it, but it is certainly purplish, and could easily fall within a range of violet <-> purple <-> brown "
http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.educ...classics/56832 (my bold)

To my mind this is a pop science piece that asks questions but does nothing to investigate the answers.

The article reminds me of "The Invisible Gorilla" by Chabris and Simons.

Tcoat · 03-10-2015, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DohcTor

Apparently tcoot didn't bother to read the article. Lmfao

Yep I read it. Then went and read 2 more refuting it. Not having a word that translates now and not seeing it are two totally different things. It is quasi science at best.
It is no better than the " You won't believe what they found" click bait articles my wife loves to forward on Farcebook!

Special_K · 03-10-2015, 12:29 PM

I was pretty skeptical... Until I came across the section about Namibia and the green squares, then what the author was trying to convey made a lot more sense... although I did guess the correct square, I second guessed myself and it took me more than just a moment to choose the correct one.

Interesting concept.

bcj · 03-10-2015, 03:07 PM

Everything was grayscale until Dorothy got a moldy rye sandwich in her lunchpail.
Fack!

strat61caster · 03-10-2015, 06:18 PM

Didn't click b/c clickbait.

Well known that the ancients used the same word for 'copper' as they did for 'sky' and other such things, here's an article from 2006 that begins to dissect the literature.

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/61

clayrush · 03-10-2015, 11:59 PM

The sky does not have a color!!!??

pushrod · 03-11-2015, 12:22 AM

One man's click bait is another man's ad revenue.

NWFRS · 03-11-2015, 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Yep I read it. Then went and read 2 more refuting it. Not having a word that translates now and not seeing it are two totally different things. It is quasi science at best.
It is no better than the " You won't believe what they found" click bait articles my wife loves to forward on Farcebook!

Thanks for the summary.

I tried to read it but got bored.

Like, REALLY bored.

So bored that I went to Wikipedia and read the entire page about Lapis Lazuli. That's a pretty long page, but absolutely riveting compared with that Buisness Insider article. :-/

echo419 · 03-11-2015, 07:47 AM

actually colors don't exist at all. they are just something us humans perceive. so it's all moot anyways.

http://www.askamathematician.com/201...-colors-exist/

03-10-2015, 02:30 AM	#1
synchromesh Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: Ultramarine Blue Location: Canada Posts: 258 Thanks: 23 Thanked 58 Times in 47 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	No one could see the color blue before modern times? http://www.businessinsider.com/what-...e-color-2015-2

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Tcoat Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Drives: 2020 Hakone Location: London, Ont Posts: 69,841 Thanks: 61,656 Thanked 108,295 Times in 46,456 Posts Mentioned: 2499 Post(s) Tagged: 50 Thread(s)	Click bait bull. Blue Lots of blue __________________ Racecar spelled backwards is Racecar, because Racecar.

03-10-2015, 07:30 AM	#3
Tcoat Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Drives: 2020 Hakone Location: London, Ont Posts: 69,841 Thanks: 61,656 Thanked 108,295 Times in 46,456 Posts Mentioned: 2499 Post(s) Tagged: 50 Thread(s)	Not only a pile of blue but the dude on the far left seems to really enjoy it (even with no head) __________________ Racecar spelled backwards is Racecar, because Racecar.

03-10-2015, 08:47 AM	#6
Captain Snooze Because compromise ® Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Red Herring Location: australia Posts: 7,819 Thanks: 4,051 Thanked 9,556 Times in 4,196 Posts Mentioned: 60 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The title of this thread differs from what the article states: "So before blue became a common concept, maybe humans saw it. But it seems they didn’t know they were seeing it.If you see something yet can’t see it, does it exist? Did colours come into existence over time? Not technically, but our ability to notice them may have…" "May have" is the same as "may have not" And this statement contradicts itself: "If you see something yet can’t see it, does it exist?" "This part gets a little complicated, because we don’t exactly what was going through Homer’s brain when he described the wine-dark sea and the violet sheep — but we do know that ancient Greeks and others in the ancient world had the same biology and therefore, same capability to see colour that we do." This statement is taken as given; there is no mention of translation or poetic license that may have been used by Homer who is regarded as a great poet. "Homer uses the word ιοδνεφής (usually translated as violet) to describe both the wool which Helen is spinning and the sheep of Polyphemus. Violet sheep? Gladstone says that it means 'black' sheep, and I'm sure he is correct. But look at the photo below of a 'black' Hebridean ram. Its fleece is not in fact pitch black, but actually a purplish-brownish colour. So Homer's term is more accurate than the English term. The colour is not violet as we understand it, but it is certainly purplish, and could easily fall within a range of violet <-> purple <-> brown " http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.educ...classics/56832 (my bold) To my mind this is a pop science piece that asks questions but does nothing to investigate the answers. The article reminds me of "The Invisible Gorilla" by Chabris and Simons. __________________ My car is completely stock except for all the mods.

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Special_K Bannéd Join Date: Oct 2013 Drives: 2013 DGM BRZ Location: WA Posts: 1,425 Thanks: 1,671 Thanked 2,079 Times in 912 Posts Mentioned: 19 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	I was pretty skeptical... Until I came across the section about Namibia and the green squares, then what the author was trying to convey made a lot more sense... although I did guess the correct square, I second guessed myself and it took me more than just a moment to choose the correct one. Interesting concept. __________________ The fascinating thing about my signature is that by the time you realize that it is of no importance, it will also be too late to stop reading it. Good luck getting those five seconds of your life back.

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DohcTor Banned Join Date: Nov 2014 Drives: Low and fast Location: Visalia Posts: 118 Thanks: 0 Thanked 33 Times in 21 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Apparently tcoot didn't bother to read the article. Lmfao

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strat61caster - Join Date: Nov 2012 Drives: '13 FRS - STX Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 10,384 Thanks: 13,790 Thanked 9,502 Times in 5,013 Posts Mentioned: 94 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	Didn't click b/c clickbait. Well known that the ancients used the same word for 'copper' as they did for 'sky' and other such things, here's an article from 2006 that begins to dissect the literature. http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/61

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echo419 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Drives: 2014 BRZ Limited Location: Atlanta Posts: 3,150 Thanks: 4,291 Thanked 4,057 Times in 1,879 Posts Mentioned: 29 Post(s) Tagged: 5 Thread(s)	actually colors don't exist at all. they are just something us humans perceive. so it's all moot anyways. http://www.askamathematician.com/201...-colors-exist/

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