GTR Nismo laps Willow Springs

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

I'll take a normal GTR and throw a tune, exhaust, and Toyo R888s on it for track days

5 track weekends in a GTR will pay for a brand new FRS. No joke.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by kcam86

I think the coolest thing of all this is how this video puts into perspective how good our car can be with the proper mods. In before "fan boi our car isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread" I'm not saying ours can beat car b with we have this mod and that mod. Just saying its cool that we can have a competitive car for a fraction of the cost. CSG Mike Did this course in 1:30 with worn tires with a heavily modded BRZ which is cool as hell. I'd bet with everything invested including cost of the car that brz is under 55k.

To be fair, WSIR rewards Aero heavily, and that BRZ had a wing and lip.

If you put the same wing and similar lip on those two cars, I can guarantee that they will pick up seconds. Not tenths, but seconds.

In the BRZ's case, upgrading the tires to something similar to the GTR or Z06's compounds would not yield much time, but dropping the GTR and Z06 to similar tires as the BRZ would hurt the GTR and Z06 a lot.


FWIW, I think the BRZ with fresh tires and a ballsier driver is a 1:27 car in the state it was in when the video was taken. I was taking a very conservative approach as I did not want to risk an off with the car at WSIR.

Randy drives the cars in a similar manner; to someone familiar with WSIR, you can see where he leaves time on the table to guarantee that there will not be an incident with the cars. This is also why he has such a huge amount of respect, and why he is offered these types of opportunities.

[continuecrushing]

wait, I thought the GTR doesn't need a driver? Doesnt a human just interfere with the GTR's abilities?

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

5 track weekends in a GTR will pay for a brand new FRS. No joke.

Yeah I dunno about that. My dad just took his out to big willow a while ago and there wasn't any significant cost. He's supposed to be going to Fontana within the next couple weeks as well for another track event.

A full two days of constant driving? I suppose I could believe that a bit more.

[tahdizzle]

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Yeah I dunno about that. My dad just took his out to big willow a while ago and there wasn't any significant cost. He's supposed to be going to Fontana within the next couple weeks as well for another track event.

A full two days of constant driving? I suppose I could believe that a bit more.

How experienced is your dad? If he's a less experienced track driver, then 5k/weekend may not be the norm for him yet, but as he improves, he'll get there too...

$200-400 (2 days entry)
$1450 - Set of tires (RS3)
$2000 - Set of tires (OEM)
$700 - Set of front brake pads
$1200 - 130 gallons of 100 octane at $9/gal
$1400 - Pre-trackday, Post-trackday inspections, and full fluid changes at the dealership (This allows you to keep your warranty!)

Other expenses:

$2100 - Set of OEM front rotors, typically 5 weekends
$1800 - Set of AP Racing front rotors
$450 - Set of rear brake pads, typically 3 weekends


Most of the GTR owners I coach will cord their tires in 1 weekend (2 days) of driving. It's just a function of the car being so damn heavy...

3x the HP of a FRS (assuming GTR has minor bolt-ons and a tune) means approximately 3x the fuel consumption. I have no problem burning 4-5 gallons in 20 minutes at the track; the GTRs I coach usually run through a tank (~13 gal), and run 100 octane to protect the engine.

Just how the FRS's brakes are a bit undersized for track duty (but way oversized for street tury), the GTR's brakes are also a bit undersized...

You get the idea. There are several GTR owners/former GTR owners on this board that can verify this... they bought a FRS/BRZ to have a cheaper track toy.


If you think a GTR is expensive to track, you should see the cost of tracking a 458 Challenge.... 3x the car cost, but a weekend can easily run 25k.

[themadscientist]

No thanks. I'd rather have this.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ttCavbTJO0"]"DREAMCRUSHER" JUN 9 second R32 GTR - YouTube[/ame]

[Hoosier Daddy]

Originally Posted by YMAA

Storytime.
The GT-R (in particular the Nismo) isn't built to be a driver-focused car. It's not built to excite the driver or create some monster that has to be wrestled to the ground. The GT-R isn't built to "see if it can win races". It's built to win them. For the kind of driving it's built to do, it doesn't have to care if you or its driver is bored. A trophy is a trophy.

If this is true how dumb is that? It's fast but not fun? Not a driver's car? Who cares then, other than those who peruse the youtube comments section.

And for certain the car isn't build to win races. It is still just a cushy street car relatively speaking! Both of them are actually. Big power and carbon brakes does not a racecar make!

I also have to wonder how much the handling balance hurt the Z06 performance in the comparo... Maybe play with tire pressures and shock settings until power-down isn't terrible like it seems in that video??

The Nissan is in deficit of power, torque, weight, brakes, aero, tires, cg and probably more. The only thing I can think of off hand in Nissan's favor is 4WD. I guess 4WD is magic.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

How experienced is your dad? If he's a less experienced track driver, then 5k/weekend may not be the norm for him yet, but as he improves, he'll get there too...

$200-400 (2 days entry)
$1450 - Set of tires (RS3)
$2000 - Set of tires (OEM)
$700 - Set of front brake pads
$1200 - 130 gallons of 100 octane at $9/gal
$1400 - Pre-trackday, Post-trackday inspections, and full fluid changes at the dealership (This allows you to keep your warranty!)

Other expenses:

$2100 - Set of OEM front rotors, typically 5 weekends
$1800 - Set of AP Racing front rotors
$450 - Set of rear brake pads, typically 3 weekends


Most of the GTR owners I coach will cord their tires in 1 weekend (2 days) of driving. It's just a function of the car being so damn heavy...

3x the HP of a FRS (assuming GTR has minor bolt-ons and a tune) means approximately 3x the fuel consumption. I have no problem burning 4-5 gallons in 20 minutes at the track; the GTRs I coach usually run through a tank (~13 gal), and run 100 octane to protect the engine.

Just how the FRS's brakes are a bit undersized for track duty (but way oversized for street tury), the GTR's brakes are also a bit undersized...

You get the idea. There are several GTR owners/former GTR owners on this board that can verify this... they bought a FRS/BRZ to have a cheaper track toy.


If you think a GTR is expensive to track, you should see the cost of tracking a 458 Challenge.... 3x the car cost, but a weekend can easily run 25k.

I'm not entirely sure of my dad's skill level but I'll say it's fairly good as he's been doing it for years and has attended a few schools and instructed at various events (skip barber, bonduraunt etc). I don't think he's really pushing that hard though either to shoot for the lowest possible times. He's just going with the SoCal GTR guys and having a good time.

My knowledge and experience is very limited on the GTR so I won't argue or question anything you've said regarding costs. I know the costs are substantially higher to maintain and track a GTR as opposed to an FRS.

Looking at the costs you've listed though, the only thing I can tell is accurate is the track day price ($200). I know he didn't use 130 gallons worth of fuel and the rest of the costs don't apply as he did it was his first event in the GTR. I'm sure as he continues, he'll end up racking up more costs.

I do know he's about to get a set of wheels with Toyo R888s though for track duty.

[TylerLieberman]

@CSG Mike

Just asked my Dad and this is what he told me:

"Here's what we're seeing:

Most people use stock Dunlops $2100/set or Toyo R888s $1550/set installed

In both cases, they last two full track days for most people.

After four track days, oil change time.

With ECU/TCM tuning, we set clutch contact points at "2." No one driving a 2013-up model is going in for fluid changes beyond oil after tracking. We all do it at 18,000 miles.

Front rotors $1100. You get about six full track days out of them. Brake pads are $375. They last at least six track days."

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Hoosier Daddy

If this is true how dumb is that? It's fast but not fun? Not a driver's car? Who cares then, other than those who peruse the youtube comments section.

And for certain the car isn't build to win races. It is still just a cushy street car relatively speaking! Both of them are actually. Big power and carbon brakes does not a racecar make!

I also have to wonder how much the handling balance hurt the Z06 performance in the comparo... Maybe play with tire pressures and shock settings until power-down isn't terrible like it seems in that video??

The Nissan is in deficit of power, torque, weight, brakes, aero, tires, cg and probably more. The only thing I can think of off hand in Nissan's favor is 4WD. I guess 4WD is magic.

Big soft car does well at WSIR.... you have no idea how bumpy T8 is...

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

@CSG Mike

Just asked my Dad and this is what he told me:

"Here's what we're seeing:

Most people use stock Dunlops $2100/set or Toyo R888s $1550/set installed

In both cases, they last two full track days for most people.

After four track days, oil change time.

With ECU/TCM tuning, we set clutch contact points at "2." No one driving a 2013-up model is going in for fluid changes beyond oil after tracking. We all do it at 18,000 miles.

Front rotors $1100. You get about six full track days out of them. Brake pads are $375. They last at least six track days."

Ah okay. That gives me a better idea of where he's at. I can introduce him to some faster GT-R owners if he's looking to learn.

As far as the fluid changes go, basically the pre/post inspections themselves are free. The ECU logs how hot everything got, and if you hit level 5, then a fluid change is mandated to keep the factory warranty. You need to be a fairly experienced driver to be hitting level 5 consistently, but once you're there.... you can't reduce the heat without investing some serious money into cooling.

A transmission cooler is virtually mandatory for tracking the car in automatic, even with a novice driver if the driver is getting any sort of coaching.

[themadscientist]

Originally Posted by Hoosier Daddy

If this is true how dumb is that? It's fast but not fun? Not a driver's car? Who cares then, other than those who peruse the youtube comments section.

I'm certainly not the type to want a car like that, but there is a certain appeal to a car that does the heavy lifting for the driver. We may lose to it, but still feel like we won because we wrung our car out and did everything right, but at the end of the day second place is the first loser.

[NemesisPrime909]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

Can't wait to see them test the new NSX.

MT? the people who have a massive bias towards GM?