Kraftwerks Supercharger Owners Thread

[Triumphrider]

Any body have some good pic's as to where they run the oil lines for the blower?

[SPCorBUST]

Originally Posted by Sellout

You're both looking at this like I want to detune a 400hp car to 300 in order to make a point.

Originally Posted by Sellout

The point is that if you're going to run a C38 detuned to only 300 whp at peak...

You reminded me of Rick James on the Chappelle Show, "Cocaine is a helluva drug."

Originally Posted by Sellout

If you can't understand this, then you really don't have any business even being a part of this discussion, and I'm done.

Although your username is Sellout, underneath that being Mr. Cranky Pants, and your avatar saying "Are you not entertained?", chill out man, there's no need to be juvenile.

We're drawing points of contention not based on a lack of understanding, but a fundamental flaw in your comparative analysis. Irrespective of that, and again, barring the "there's more left on the table" argument, the bottom line is that making it to the 300hp goal slower on a C30 is not likely to be considered a better powerband...

[Sellout]

Originally Posted by SPCorBUST

You reminded me of Rick James on the Chappelle Show, "Cocaine is a helluva drug."

Riiight. Instead of actually dealing with the point I've been making you're picking apart my sentences to make it look like I'm saying something else. OK Maybe you really do understand what I'm talking about. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that maybe I hadn't been making it clear. The other alternative is that you're actually trying to be a prick, which makes the next part of your post a bit confusing.

Although your username is Sellout, underneath that being Mr. Cranky Pants, and your avatar saying "Are you not entertained?", chill out man, there's no need to be juvenile.

I don't think I'm being juvenile at all. I'm just literally sick of having someone on this forum drag out an argument where I'm making a pretty clear point that everyone who actually understands this hobby would agree with. The last time it was someone who did everything he could to make it look like I was arguing that torque doesn't actually exist. WTF indeed...

We're drawing points of contention not based on a lack of understanding, but a fundamental flaw in your comparative analysis. Irrespective of that, and again, barring the "there's more left on the table" argument, the bottom line is that making it to the 300hp goal slower on a C30 is not likely to be considered a better powerband...

You still don't get it. If they're both pulley'd for only 300 hp on e85, the C38 isn't going to get there faster. It's got a retarded low boost pulley on it because some dude wants only 300whp on e85 out of his C38 kit. All I'm saying is, under those conditions, his car would be faster with a standard C30 kit tuned to 300whp on e85.

Think about it another way. Vortech makes about 100 different superchargers. WHY? There's like 5 of them that could easily hit 400 horsepower and the parasitic power difference between them would be almost nil. Why keep making the others once you have the latest and greatest? Clearly the biggest one you can find will have an identical boost curve to the smallest one if you set it to the same level right? No. it won't.

I actually am unsubscribed now. Guess I got distracted before.

[SPCorBUST]

Originally Posted by Sellout

Instead of actually dealing with the point I've been making you're picking apart my sentences to make it look like I'm saying something else.

Sir, you contradicted yourself with no assistance from me. Those are your own words, no manipulation involved save curtailing the fluff for brevity's sake.

Originally Posted by Sellout

You still don't get it. If they're both pulley'd for only 300 hp on e85, the C38 isn't going to get there faster. It's got a retarded low boost pulley on it because some dude wants only 300whp on e85 out of his C38 kit. All I'm saying is, under those conditions, his car would be faster with a standard C30 kit tuned to 300whp on e85.

So if someone had a 300hp cap, only wanted to get there on e85, and only wanted to use the C38, they would need to purchase a custom, lower-than-the-low-boost-pulley-currently-offered-by-KW pulley, and get tuned on e85 capping at 300hp. You're saying that in that completely contrived, unrealistic scenario, then in that case - the powerband might favor the C30? Hm, maybe.

In reality though, I'm pretty sure when you spend actual dollars you want to compare the actual performance, in which case the powerband still favors the C38 for getting to your goal more quickly sans other benefits.

[vgi]

Originally Posted by Sellout

You still don't get it. If they're both pulley'd for only 300 hp on e85, the C38 isn't going to get there faster. It's got a retarded low boost pulley on it because some dude wants only 300whp on e85 out of his C38 kit. All I'm saying is, under those conditions, his car would be faster with a standard C30 kit tuned to 300whp on e85.

yep, i certainly don't get it! why the heck order a custom bigger pulley just to cap the blower at 300whp on e85???!!!

why not just cap it at the top (instead of dropping the whole range with big pulley) via tuning?

[Chad86]

According to Moto East, I need to run the C38 in order to get 300 whp on 94 octane, as no E85 is available in BC. The C30 is just not capable of hitting 300 on pump. So in my case for what I'm aiming for the C38 is a must!

[Raven604]

Originally Posted by Chad86

According to Moto East, I need to run the C38 in order to get 300 whp on 94 octane, as no E85 is available in BC. The C30 is just not capable of hitting 300 on pump. So in my case for what I'm aiming for the C38 is a must!

There's e85 in West Van now

[Scracho]

Originally Posted by Chad86

According to Moto East, I need to run the C38 in order to get 300 whp on 94 octane, as no E85 is available in BC. The C30 is just not capable of hitting 300 on pump. So in my case for what I'm aiming for the C38 is a must!

I call bluff

http://www.onpointdyno.com/?p=3366

[Triumphrider]

Isn't the one onpoint tuned a c30?

[Scracho]

Originally Posted by Triumphrider

Isn't the one onpoint tuned a c30?

Yes, and he has recently done another C30 w/ standard pulley (10psi) and meth injection at 315WHP with conservative tuning.

He (Sasha) will be doing my tune once my kit is installed

[Calum]

What does a stock twin dyno at on their dyno? That ~300 whp peak is meaningless with out a baseline.

[Triumphrider]

I believe onpoint uses a dyna pack dyno.... Not sure how they rate in the scheme of things

[vgi]

Originally Posted by Scracho

I call bluff

http://www.onpointdyno.com/?p=3366

awesome! i'm curious how much whp my car would've made on that dynopack.

i think that's the highest yet i have ever seen for a c30, both whp and tq.

[Chad86]

So as an official noob to superchargers, I have a few questions concerning additional internals required for my C38 build. Oil cooler, check valve, catch can, etc. I notice that Kraftwerks has a passive oil cooler and found a bit of info on these items a few pages back. And as far as upgrades, I would like to run the SKUNK2 header and Alpha radiator, Grams injectors possibly, but wondering if I should upgrade certain things down the line or just get it over all at once. I will be discussing more with Moto East, but with my tune aim of 300 whp on 94 Octane what is required beyond stock at minimum to start?