When the FR-S get a HP increase...

[DohcTor]

So funny to see all the fanboys say that they don't want or need more than 200hp.

If this car had come with 240hp stock, all these dudes would still be singing the same tune, saying that they don't need any more than 240, and that 240 is perfect.

Just man up and admit that our engine is weak. Honda had a 200hp 2.0 liter back in 2006, and it gets even better mileage. We need an upgrade

[BlackMonarch]

Originally Posted by DohcTor

So funny to see all the fanboys say that they don't want or need more than 200hp.

If this car had come with 240hp stock, all these dudes would still be singing the same tune, saying that they don't need any more than 240, and that 240 is perfect.

Just man up and admit that our engine is weak. Honda had a 200hp 2.0 liter back in 2006, and it gets even better mileage. We need an upgrade

H engines aren't known for fuel economy. They simply aren't. They ARE known for that badass boxer rumble and decent torque figures. The fact of the matter is, we all bought a first-gen car: The cars known for breaking, fixing, and the manufacturer working shit out. The mid-cycle refresh, or second gen, whatever you want to call it, won't have most of the issues we complain about (horsepower\torque aside)

[Loetke]

Originally Posted by DohcTor

So funny to see all the fanboys say that they don't want or need more than 200hp.

If this car had come with 240hp stock, all these dudes would still be singing the same tune, saying that they don't need any more than 240, and that 240 is perfect.

Just man up and admit that our engine is weak. Honda had a 200hp 2.0 liter back in 2006, and it gets even better mileage. We need an upgrade

I wouldn't say the engine is weak. It's definitely not "strong" but it gets the job done. Good enough for me right now anyway.

[tennisfreak]

Originally Posted by BlackMonarch

This is what Mazda did with the RX-8. And it failed miserably. I would hope Toyota\Subaru know better.

I thought the Mazda failed miserably because if its price and engine reliability problems?

Makes more sense than blaming it on multiple trim levels.

[Defuser]

Originally Posted by DohcTor

So funny to see all the fanboys say that they don't want or need more than 200hp.

If I wasn't a "fan" of the car, I wouldn't have bought one. There are other options in the same price range with more power.

I don't get all the people who research the car (I know, that is an assumption), drive the car (another assumption), buy the car, THEN complain about the power?!

[Tenament05]

Originally Posted by DohcTor

So funny to see all the fanboys say that they don't want or need more than 200hp.

If this car had come with 240hp stock, all these dudes would still be singing the same tune, saying that they don't need any more than 240, and that 240 is perfect.

Just man up and admit that our engine is weak. Honda had a 200hp 2.0 liter back in 2006, and it gets even better mileage. We need an upgrade

it's not just about raw power broha. Honda's K series engines are amazing for sure.. are you new to subaru engines? This D4S is the most exciting thing to ever happen to the company. EJ series and even the FADIT is yaaaawn.

More importantly, in a straight line, yes the Twins do get outrun by a majority of sluggers... but you may replace fanboy with driver that actually canyon runs/participates in autox/ track races/turns on their commute and your statement would be equally valid.

Don't have to call all of those who think the car is BALANCED and engine's power SUFFICIENT fanboys because you get walked on by cruisers and family SUVs down the interstate.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Tenament05

it's not just about raw power broha. Honda's K series engines are amazing for sure.. are you new to subaru engines? This D4S is the most exciting thing to ever happen to the company. EJ series and even the FADIT is yaaaawn.

More importantly, in a straight line, yes the Twins do get outrun by a majority of sluggers... but you may replace fanboy with driver that actually canyon runs/participates in autox/ track races/turns on their commute and your statement would be equally valid.

Don't have to call all of those who think the car is BALANCED and engine's power SUFFICIENT fanboys because you get walked on by cruisers and family SUVs down the interstate.

Just ignore the good DohcTor as pretty much every post he ever made is "Honda rules and Toyota drools". Probably a big Civic fanboy himself.

[totopo]

I think the reason that low hp is fine for canyon driving is because in canyon driving you generally can't see corner exit. So what people do is overspeed into corners, scrub speed with no to minimal throttle during the corner then gas when you can finally see the exit. So the twins are great at that.

At the track though, it really doesn't have a lot of power at corner exit. So it drives like a miata. Ie. momentum line.

[Tromatic]

Originally Posted by totopo

I think the reason that low hp is fine for canyon driving is because in canyon driving you generally can't see corner exit. So what people do is overspeed into corners, scrub speed with no to minimal throttle during the corner then gas when you can finally see the exit. So the twins are great at that.

At the track though, it really doesn't have a lot of power at corner exit. So it drives like a miata. Ie. momentum line.

People who only recourse for speed is the throttle typically suck at driving anyway. The FR-S is like a two-fiddy motorcycle.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by totopo

At the track though, it really doesn't have a lot of power at corner exit. So it drives like a miata. Ie. momentum line.

That's exactly why many of us like it and are totally satisfied with the horsepower.



In short, if I can be fast in this I can be fast in anything.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Tromatic

People who only recourse for speed is the throttle typically suck at driving anyway. The FR-S is like a two-fiddy motorcycle.

This 1000 Xs^
Drive it right and you are past the dip in a split second. Then keep it up (insert personal favorite Viagra joke here) above the 4K mark and it isn't an issue.
I truly think (think don't know) that a pile of people are afraid to keep the revs up on these cars and miss the point it has a 7400 redline for a reason. It is designed to get all of the engine's best at high revs not in the 2500 to 4000 range.
Same with guys that say they can't pass on the highway. Sure stomp on it in 6th and you will fail. Downshift and it is not an issue ... ever!

[Jond63]

Originally Posted by DohcTor

So funny to see all the fanboys say that they don't want or need more than 200hp.

If this car had come with 240hp stock, all these dudes would still be singing the same tune, saying that they don't need any more than 240, and that 240 is perfect.

Just man up and admit that our engine is weak. Honda had a 200hp 2.0 liter back in 2006, and it gets even better mileage. We need an upgrade

You might want to print out the Honda motor specs you like the best and keep it in your wallet -- you seem to have a major issue with on paper specs and your self esteem.

[Tromatic]

I have an auto and can do that. Dudes with a manual have zero excuse for dip issues. When driving for "fun" (all the time, really) it's either below 4k or above 5k.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

This 1000 Xs^
Drive it right and you are past the dip in a split second. Then keep it up (insert personal favorite Viagra joke here) above the 4K mark and it isn't an issue.
I truly think (think don't know) that a pile of people are afraid to keep the revs up on these cars and miss the point it has a 7400 redline for a reason. It is designed to get all of the engine's best at high revs not in the 2500 to 4000 range.
Same with guys that say they can't pass on the highway. Sure stomp on it in 6th and you will fail. Downshift and it is not an issue ... ever!

Forget which thread, but it was about freeway driving and gear. Posted that around here, I'm typically in fourth or fifth gear which are appropriate for the conditions, traffic, road, zombies, whatever. I was told "ZOMG! Yer gonna blow yer engine!"

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

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I truly think (think don't know) that a pile of people are afraid to keep the revs up on these cars and miss the point it has a 7400 redline for a reason. It is designed to get all of the engine's best at high revs not in the 2500 to 4000 range.
Same with guys that say they can't pass on the highway. Sure stomp on it in 6th and you will fail. Downshift and it is not an issue ... ever!

I do think you have hit the nail on the head and have earned a visit from Moose Girl!

Perhaps its because I'm used to riding motorcycles and flying airplanes both of which it is not unusual to have in the high rev's constantly, but I've never really felt there was an issue with the engine. I've flown a Subaru boxer powered gyrocopter where the standard power setting would keep the boxer above 6000RPM for hours (an airplane engine spends its entire life at the top of its rev limit).

When passing, I drop down two to three gears, and off I go like a rocket with a huge grin on my face, every time. And despite claims to the contrary by folks on here, I've never been left behind at a light by a soccer Mom driving the family minivan.

Now, that said, if someone wants to come drop an supercharged LS3 in my car and give me 600HP, I'll gladly take it. But then, I wanted to do that with my old Astro van as well.