Scion VP on Jalopnik

[Wise]

I don't think Scion has much say in powerplant development. They may have a hotline to what's happening in Japan, but all they can do is show sales figures and make a case for more power. The decision rests with the bean counters at Toyota though.

Popular opinion is that if the car was going to have a turbo variant it would have been released by now or at least announced. It's a little too late into this car's life cycle to introduce a different powerplant.

[Caspeed]

What I see is, everyone spinning this to suit their perspective. All car brands develop all sorts of prototypes, most of them will be scrapped. They will do whatever is the most profitable for them. This is a high stakes poker game they play with the other makes they're not going to show their hand. Until then we'll have to wait and see.

[PandaSPUR]

Originally Posted by tennisfreak

Scion/Toyota: There is absolutely no plan to give an overwhelming majority of people what they want by giving the FR-S more power. We have known, still know, and always will know what is best for you. We make what we want, not what our potential buyers want.

Because the bunch of enthusiasts here represent the overwhelming majority of FR-S sold.

I don't blame them. Why change something that isnt broken? They're making plenty of sales currently. Would I want a stock FI twin? Hell yea. Would I still want it if it cost 32-35k starting? Hmmm....

[strat61caster]

Awesome, a marketing guy who actually admits he has no fucking idea about the future of the product line and knows it's the engineers who will determine if it will work!

I bet he gets fired for not promising the moon on Jalopnik of all places.

[Tromatic]

I consulted my runes. 16 will be the last model year of the FR-S/BRZ. Get one now.

[TRD-X]

The fools that run Scion USA are stupid "In My Opinion."


Just like this Dumbass trying to open the hood the wrong way.


Never mind the did a edit on the video.


All 2016 Scions will have a backup camera and there will be a new 4 door hatchback coming out (iM) along with the sedan and new tC.




[ame]http://youtu.be/nUIo_UMcrVE[/ame]

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Caspeed

What I see is, everyone spinning this to suit their perspective. All car brands develop all sorts of prototypes, most of them will be scrapped. They will do whatever is the most profitable for them. This is a high stakes poker game they play with the other makes they're not going to show their hand. Until then we'll have to wait and see.

Well said!
As I have said several times, on near identical threads, the whole future of this car was mapped out before the first one rolled off the assembly line. If they had ever even remotely considered upping the power it is already in the business plan. The model changes are not done based upon year to year ideas but laid out in a scheduled timeline for the expected life of the platform before it is even released.
This is why spokesmen such as the VP are so wishy washy on what they say since too expose those plans too far in advance can hurt both sales now and the plans for the future.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Tromatic

I consulted my runes. 16 will be the last model year of the FR-S/BRZ. Get one now.

Oh great now I have anew picture of Trom in my head!

[Hot Lava]

Originally Posted by tennisfreak

Scion/Toyota: There is absolutely no plan to give an overwhelming majority of people what they want by giving the FR-S more power. We have known, still know, and always will know what is best for you. We make what we want, not what our potential buyers want.

Got what I wanted.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by LucidMomentum

My 2015 came with a new paint code and Sharkfin antenna, maybe that's it?

Revised suspension too. It has already been hinted that these cars will get a facelift soon. I'm thinking it will be for the MY16 .

[dnieves]

Originally Posted by Wise

I don't think Scion has much say in powerplant development. They may have a hotline to what's happening in Japan, but all they can do is show sales figures and make a case for more power. The decision rests with the bean counters at Toyota though.

Popular opinion is that if the car was going to have a turbo variant it would have been released by now or at least announced. It's a little too late into this car's life cycle to introduce a different powerplant.

Weren't the bean counters the ones who nearly killed the '12 Civic with their inexpensive hard Hyundai-esque interior plastics. It's nice that Akio Toyoda realized the Toyota line up was boring & without passion allowing him to usher the 86 project & the team up with BMW for a new sports car but where does the blame lie? Is the 200hp ceiling because the bean counters thought this would be profitable or the Subaru engineers with their initial lackluster support wanted to flex their muscle (like when they killed any hopes of the 86 convertible)?

[dnieves]

Originally Posted by abraxis

Right, and in the world of automotive higher execs that include Subaru and Toyota, the VP of Scion might get the coffee if he's even allowed to attend the meetings.

Coffee? Not even.... he probably sits outside in the lobby while the grown ups talk.





Judging from his answers let's put things into perspective.
1. Scion making demands for more horse power is like the tail wagging the dog (Scion is inconsequential to Toyota)
2. Scion is the Japanese version of Saturn -down to the fixed price policy. Except Saturn's products were pure GM crap. (and Subaru is an affordable niche car maker).
3. Scion VP has to give middle of the road answers, everybody knows that if he were any more removed from decision making he'd be one of us.
4. Auto makers can't give away detailed future plans because Hyundai will steal them and consumers will stop buying until the newer model is released. It's just annoying to us 86 owners because we don't want to get stuck with a one off car but we don't want to feel like our cars are going to look like the model T when the next gen is released.

[Tromatic]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Oh great now I have anew picture of Trom in my head!

I'm not that good looking.

[Tromatic]

At this point, I'm hoping they do refresh the car so we can have a whole new list of things for people to dislike/whine/bitch about. Still willing to be the first-gen will be the one to have.