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Old 01-08-2015, 02:04 PM   #2353
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Thanks for the help and just out of curiosity what deterred you from the ds2500?
The same reason you don't AutoX on all-season tires. Anything that "does it all" is by its own nature, a compromise. It's a jack of all trades, and a master of none. The DS2500 will not survive a track day; if you're comparing to Carbotechs, it's somewhere in between the realm of a AX6 and XP8.

Get the dedicated race pad.

RBF600 is cheaper, but you'll likely be better off using Project Mu G-Four or Torque RT700.
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The same reason you don't AutoX on all-season tires. Anything that "does it all" is by its own nature, a compromise. It's a jack of all trades, and a master of none. The DS2500 will not survive a track day; if you're comparing to Carbotechs, it's somewhere in between the realm of a AX6 and XP8.

Get the dedicated race pad.

RBF600 is cheaper, but you'll likely be better off using Project Mu G-Four or Torque RT700.
I am look at your sales website right now thanks for the advice!

Edit: I wont have any issues running rt700 on a daily basis will I?
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I am look at your sales website right now thanks for the advice!

Edit: I wont have any issues running rt700 on a daily basis will I?
RT700 is great stuff and fine for daily use with the caveat that it won't live as long as other brake fluids in street use (it is more hygroscopic so it gets water saturated faster). That said, it will outlast RBF600 by a huge margin in track duty. Even when I was much less experienced I was finding that the RBF600 was showing its age towards the end of the day. With RT700 at my much higher skill level now I can get several weekends before I start feeling like I need a bleed.
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Old 01-08-2015, 03:07 PM   #2356
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I am look at your sales website right now thanks for the advice!

Edit: I wont have any issues running rt700 on a daily basis will I?
Strictly street driving, once a year is a conservative schedule for bleeding RT700. If you're going to be tracking the car at least a few times a year, then you'll be better off going with the better fluids.

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Strictly street driving, once a year is a conservative schedule for bleeding RT700. If you're going to be tracking the car at least a few times a year, then you'll be better off going with the better fluids.

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My main activities will be autox (15+ events) with possibly 1-2 track days per year. What brake fluid would be ideal for that type of abuse?
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My main activities will be autox (15+ events) with possibly 1-2 track days per year. What brake fluid would be ideal for that type of abuse?
Too much is better than not enough. Use Torque, and just bleed once a year or when it gets mushy, whichever comes first.

You'll need 2 bottles for the initial flush, and 1 for subsequent bleeds. The bottles are sealed, so the shelf life is long, as long as you don't open them. Use the whole bottle anytime you open one.
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This has all been super helpful! Thanks to all that answered. I'm excited about my first track day, however, I have heard that autox wont be as appealing once I have experienced the track lol
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This has all been super helpful! Thanks to all that answered. I'm excited about my first track day, however, I have heard that autox wont be as appealing once I have experienced the track lol
Different disciplines with different skill sets. There's a small overlap, but for the most part, the only thing that carries over is your comfort level with the car. As you get more seat time, you'll find yourself gravitating towards one or the other.

The setups are mutually exclusive once you start dedicating yourself toward one discipline or the other, and neither is "wrong". A championship level AutoX build is just as expensive as a championship level road course build.
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Different disciplines with different skill sets. There's a small overlap, but for the most part, the only thing that carries over is your comfort level with the car. As you get more seat time, you'll find yourself gravitating towards one or the other.

The setups are mutually exclusive once you start dedicating yourself toward one discipline or the other, and neither is "wrong". A championship level AutoX build is just as expensive as a championship level road course build.
Well I am glad there is at least some consistency.... it's expensive lol

Currently I am trying to keep my factory warranty for as long as possible (complete other issue all together) so autox stock class is very appealing at this point.
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What is a good place to source the xp10?
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And also any recommendations on brake fluid? 600 or 660?

So many choices!!!!
We are a good source. Can you tell me more about your car setup and the track you will be attending?
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We are a good source. Can you tell me more about your car setup and the track you will be attending?


Thanks! It's just a stock BRZ. -1 degree of camber in the front, one 17x9 rpf1's with 245/40's, and a drop in filter. I've only had it a month lol. I had an STU prepped WRX before.

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Tirerack came out with their report on the Extreme tires:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...y.jsp?ttid=197

You guys seem to always like the RS3s, but according to Tirerack they underperform compared to the competition.

Care to add anything? (I need to buy some soon)
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Our 1/3-mile per lap test track course includes 90-degree street corners, a five-cone slalom and simulated expressway ramps

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Take TireRack's tests with a grain on salt. Your typical track day junkie driving FRS/BRZ on "real" road (or autox!) courses may have yielded different results
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Tirerack came out with their report on the Extreme tires:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...y.jsp?ttid=197

You guys seem to always like the RS3s, but according to Tirerack they underperform compared to the competition.

Care to add anything? (I need to buy some soon)
Hankook supports grass root level racing. Dunlop not so much. That is one reason to run the R-S3 tire.
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