is best time to buy new '15 frs now?

[PhantomX]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

Feel whatever you want...its the truth

Based on? I have monthly goals but I'm not desperate enough to try and violate policies, putting my job on the line. Your assumption is you have the sales people practically bending manufacturer policies just to sell you a car. Wrong. Doing that will not only risk the sales person's job, but the dealerships right to sell the manufacturer's vehicles and the manufacturer's backing. Yes, we'll do our best to get to the numbers you're comfortable with, but that's just it. We're problem solving by finding ways to sell you the car without violating policies. But if your demands are just ridiculous and practically impossible to meet, then of course you're going to get what you think is unsatisfactory service.

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by D_Thissen

Id say go look for a '14 or maybe even a '13 as those are 'old cars'. I picked up my '13 in Feb '14, they offered something like 1000 off msrp plus tossed in some other goodies.

Read that totally wrong and thought you said they tossed in cookies...

[HotLavaChick]

i got the car dudes. bands make her dance. i brought 15K with me and I got the toyota loyalty fiance services. with super low apr.

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

The end of the year is a good time to buy...December 31, 4pm...salespeople get desperate to make sales goals and quotas...

I'm pretty sure this year was a good year for a majority of car dealers, but you are right about the time of day and doing it in the middle of the week outside of the dealer rush later in the day the more "negotiable" they might be to get home

[D_Thissen]

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN

Read that totally wrong and thought you said they tossed in cookies...

Mmmmm cookies. Great now I'm hungry. Off to the fridge I go lol

[sachu]

paid over 2k less than msrp on my 2015 FR-S. haggle

[gt8613]

Funny thing about pure pricing. It is implemented to stop dealers from charging ridiculous prices that are markups and help the consumer.



What does it do? It lets dealers say you have to pay msrp and there is no negotiation....whereas normally there is negotiation.



What do dealers actually do?

They not only ask msrp but sometimes add dumb shit like leather or what not and add a $3000 to $6000 markup to the msrp and ask for that..... ROFL!

[Ammonia]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

Feel whatever you want...its the truth

You are so far from informed its laughable

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by Ammonia

You are so far from informed its laughable

I would say enlighten me...but I don't really care all that much about what you have to say

[torqdork]

Originally Posted by Quentin

Considering how little work is put into selling Scions...

It's trickle down from TMS's decision last year to allow Scion dealers to voluntarily terminate the franchise with no hard feelings. That, combined with skinny gross profit margins and a lack of incentives compared to the Toyota side doesn't inspire dealers, managers or sales staff.

The result is that the remaining dealers got the message and focused more on the bread and butter Toyota vehicles while Scion sales slid from their peak of 173,034 to 68,321 last year and would've been far less without FR-S.

TMS hasn't completely abandoned the brand what with three major changes supposedly coming soon, but they've consolidated regional operations, reassigned field staff to the Toyota side and instead are looking to Europe for growth.

At least we'll be getting FR-S v.2.0 around April 2016 if the rumor mill is accurate, that's encouraging.

To the OP, Pure Pricing is a myth in the Portland Region. Unless the dealership is in a captive metro like Anchorage with the next dealership hours away on hazardous roads, this is a good time to negotiate. Few incentives outside of APR and deferred payments, but you have time on your side until tomorrow night. Good luck!

[2016 Camaro SS]

There's like 5 FR-S here on the lots at the dealership I was at about 3 weeks ago, including a RS 1.0 manual. They aren't selling near like they used to. I'm sure you can get a good deal on one now because less cars on the lot = less tax to be paid by the dealer.

[PhantomX]

Originally Posted by gt8613

Funny thing about pure pricing. It is implemented to stop dealers from charging ridiculous prices that are markups and help the consumer.

Not really, no. Some dealerships still can do markups. It just means that when they markup one of the Scions, the entire year and model of that Scion also gets the same exact markup.

Originally Posted by gt8613

What does it do? It lets dealers say you have to pay msrp and there is no negotiation....whereas normally there is negotiation.

Yes, that's one way to look at it, but true.

Originally Posted by gt8613

What do dealers actually do?

They not only ask msrp but sometimes add dumb shit like leather or what not and add a $3000 to $6000 markup to the msrp and ask for that..... ROFL!

I take it this was high on sarcasm. Leather? On an FR-S? Srsly? I guess the Monogram Series is a dealer markup from the base?

But on all seriousness, this is such a ridiculous spin on the truth. Yes, again, some dealerships do markup. But, again, by Pure Pricing policy, if the dealership throw in dealer installed equipment in one of them (like a remote start or aftermarket rims), the dealership now has to provide the same exact thing in all of the same exact year and model of that Scion it was installed in. The only way a dealer can get around that is to offer the remote start, rims, whatever as an addition to the purchase of the vehicle, meaning not pre-installed.


And just so people don't think what I say is heresay, this is direct from Scion's website.

Originally Posted by torqdork

It's trickle down from TMS's decision last year to allow Scion dealers to voluntarily terminate the franchise with no hard feelings. That, combined with skinny gross profit margins and a lack of incentives compared to the Toyota side doesn't inspire dealers, managers or sales staff.

The result is that the remaining dealers got the message and focused more on the bread and butter Toyota vehicles while Scion sales slid from their peak of 173,034 to 68,321 last year and would've been far less without FR-S.

TMS hasn't completely abandoned the brand what with three major changes supposedly coming soon, but they've consolidated regional operations, reassigned field staff to the Toyota side and instead are looking to Europe for growth.

At least we'll be getting FR-S v.2.0 around April 2016 if the rumor mill is accurate, that's encouraging.

To the OP, Pure Pricing is a myth in the Portland Region. Unless the dealership is in a captive metro like Anchorage with the next dealership hours away on hazardous roads, this is a good time to negotiate. Few incentives outside of APR and deferred payments, but you have time on your side until tomorrow night. Good luck!

I like how you took a jab of where I'm at. Where are you basing the "captive market" comment on? Just because there's only one Toyota/Scion dealership in these supposedly hazardous roads? Have you been here lately? We have less snow than the lower 48 states at the moment. Based on your "captive market" comment, the logic would than be we really don't need to discount any vehicles at all, yet we do with every vehicle we have that's either not a Scion or is an "old age" Scion. I guess dealerships are inheritly evil and won't need to do nice things to customers without them asking/fighting for it, huh?

Oregon, eh? I know Eugene has lots of Scion/Toyota dealerships with other cities also within reach with Scion/Toyota dealerships. Why did I choose Eugene? Well, because that's where one of our sister dealerships are. Another is in Bend. I have been down there and even visited some of the competition. They all stuck to Pure Pricing, but only "gave in" to discounts when the vehicle became an "old age unit."

At least the rest of what you wrote was fairly accurate. And I think we (along with a lot of people) agree with one thing. The marketing plan and implementation is failing, and it's not because of the product either.

Originally Posted by 2016 Camaro SS

There's like 5 FR-S here on the lots at the dealership I was at about 3 weeks ago, including a RS 1.0 manual. They aren't selling near like they used to. I'm sure you can get a good deal on one now because less cars on the lot = less tax to be paid by the dealer.

Yes, if they've been on the lot a long time. Considering there's 5, I'm sure at least half have been around for a long time.

[Defuser]

Somewhat off topic, but since there is a lot of convo concerning the Scion brand going on in here...

When I got Scion's post-purchase survey, my one written comment was that they should DROP the Scion brand, and simply put the vehicles under the Toyota badge. Chalk it up as a failed venture and move on.

Remember when Chevy had the Geo brand?

[PhantomX]

Originally Posted by Defuser

Somewhat off topic, but since there is a lot of convo concerning the Scion brand going on in here...

When I got Scion's post-purchase survey, my one written comment was that they should DROP the Scion brand, and simply put the vehicles under the Toyota badge. Chalk it up as a failed venture and move on.

Remember when Chevy had the Geo brand?

Unfortunately TMS will never get that survey. Those surveys are to help improve the dealership and sales consultant that did business with you.