BRZ suspension sucks!

[themadscientist]

You mean the people that stick the engine so far out the back of the car it looks like a hemorrhoid and steers itself as the anchor swings the tail like a skank on ladies night? Understeer that turns into violent snap oversteer, yeah; give me some of that! I really don't care about their philosophy of car design.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by themadscientist

You mean the people that stick the engine so far out the back

The 928 is front engined

Originally Posted by themadscientist

I really don't care about their philosophy of car design.

Sure, I appreciate that but it would seem that some people do like it.

[themadscientist]

So's the 944 Mr. U-boat commander.



And, I must say, the 944 must appeal to me since I love the FC and Mazda admits they totally ripped off the look of that Porsche.

GM put a flat four in the back of a car once. And?

[Captain Snooze]

The 928 has rear steer, I do not know about the 944.

[KoolBRZ]

Originally Posted by slicktop

Having toe out on a car can make it seriously unsafe to drive. That "rear wheel steering" is the beginning of an accident waiting to happen.

Stop. Just stop. Get your damn car aligned before you cause an accident.

Calm down. My car is aligned. The way the car is designed, it will toe the outside wheel out and the inside wheel in when it leans over. It doesn't mean you can parallel park the car sideways. I'm only mentioning it because I'm not used to my car leaning in the corners. I'm changing to the stiffer FR-S springs this weekend anyway.

[whataboutbob]

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[themadscientist]

Originally Posted by KoolBRZ

The way the car is designed toe the outside wheel out and the inside wheel in when it leans over.

Put stock tires on the back and steer with the throttle. It would be safer.

You described what my GT-R used to do at low speeds

I mixed up my acronyms earlier. Atessa is the AWD gear, Hicas is what I meant to say.

At high speeds, Hicas turns the rear wheels WITH the front wheels, not against. Most people install a locked rack to eliminate the rear steer altogether which is what my car has.

You are building a suicide machine.

[KoolBRZ]

Originally Posted by themadscientist

Put stock tires on the back and steer with the throttle. It would be safer.

You described what my GT-R used to do at low speeds

I mixed up my acronyms earlier. Atessa is the AWD gear, Hicas is what I meant to say.

At high speeds, Hicas turns the rear wheels WITH the front wheels, not against. Most people install a locked rack to eliminate the rear steer altogether which is what my car has.

You are building a suicide machine.

I'm not building a rear-wheel steer machine, I believe what I've been talking about is the automatic rear-wheel tracking that comes stock on the triplets. As the vehicle leans over the rear wheels are adjusted a tiny amount by the tracking arms so that they follow the tracks of the front wheels. This "tracking" helps the car to corner better at higher speeds and helps reduce under-steer. The effect can be exaggerated by aligning the rear wheels so the toe angle is 0%, and can be reduced by increasing the toe angle. So then, rear toe angles being equal, the BRZ will over-steer because it leans more, and the FR-S will under-steer because it leans less. I have BRZ rear springs on and that's why my car over-steers more than I'm used to.

[Fastbrew]

My BRZ has a reactive organic steering and control compensation device. It's called the driver.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

What about roll steer?

I'm on board with this.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by KoolBRZ

I'm not building a rear-wheel steer machine, I believe what I've been talking about is the automatic rear-wheel tracking that comes stock on the triplets. As the vehicle leans over the rear wheels are adjusted a tiny amount by the tracking arms so that they follow the tracks of the front wheels. This "tracking" helps the car to corner better at higher speeds and helps reduce under-steer. The effect can be exaggerated by aligning the rear wheels so the toe angle is 0%, and can be reduced by increasing the toe angle. So then, rear toe angles being equal, the BRZ will over-steer because it leans more, and the FR-S will under-steer because it leans less. I have BRZ rear springs on and that's why my car over-steers more than I'm used to.

I'm not on board with this.

[totopo]

Originally Posted by KoolBRZ

Calm down. My car is aligned. The way the car is designed, it will toe the outside wheel out and the inside wheel in when it leans over. It doesn't mean you can parallel park the car sideways. I'm only mentioning it because I'm not used to my car leaning in the corners. I'm changing to the stiffer FR-S springs this weekend anyway.

ehhh? i am pretty sure the rear suspension toes in on compression and out on extension.

[totopo]

Originally Posted by KoolBRZ

I'm not building a rear-wheel steer machine, I believe what I've been talking about is the automatic rear-wheel tracking that comes stock on the triplets. As the vehicle leans over the rear wheels are adjusted a tiny amount by the tracking arms so that they follow the tracks of the front wheels. This "tracking" helps the car to corner better at higher speeds and helps reduce under-steer. The effect can be exaggerated by aligning the rear wheels so the toe angle is 0%, and can be reduced by increasing the toe angle. So then, rear toe angles being equal, the BRZ will over-steer because it leans more, and the FR-S will under-steer because it leans less. I have BRZ rear springs on and that's why my car over-steers more than I'm used to.

ehhh? leaning has nothing to do with weight shift. Aren't the fr-s rears higher spring rates than the brz? High spring rates means more weight shift on that axle means less traction.

So the brz with less spring rates has less weight shift on the rear and will be more neutral understeer...

[Kotu100]

Originally Posted by KoolBRZ

I'm not building a rear-wheel steer machine, I believe what I've been talking about is the automatic rear-wheel tracking that comes stock on the triplets. As the vehicle leans over the rear wheels are adjusted a tiny amount by the tracking arms so that they follow the tracks of the front wheels. This "tracking" helps the car to corner better at higher speeds and helps reduce under-steer. The effect can be exaggerated by aligning the rear wheels so the toe angle is 0%, and can be reduced by increasing the toe angle. So then, rear toe angles being equal, the BRZ will over-steer because it leans more, and the FR-S will under-steer because it leans less. I have BRZ rear springs on and that's why my car over-steers more than I'm used to.

That's bass ackwards.