Worried about the demographic that will buy the frs?

[MF_DEUCE]

this has been discussed before.

[civicdrivr]

I can only hope that the "low" hp figure will keep the idiots away.

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Only some of them. There are still a lot of idiot teenage drivers snatching up Civic Si's, even when they had "only" 197 hp.

[kanundrum]

Kind of an expensive car for your average 22 year olds or less.

I think the techy type who likes weekend autocrossing and your occasional track day will be the ideal demographic for this car.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by RearDrive

Wouldn't that make insurance go through the roof for everyone else if the young guys crash this car repeatedly? That wouldn't bother you?

Prob, yes... But I'm insuring a sport car. If anyone bitch about insurance been high, maybe brand new sports car isn't the option

[civicdrivr]

Originally Posted by DeeezNuuuts83

Only some of them. There are still a lot of idiot teenage drivers snatching up Civic Si's, even when they had "only" 197 hp.

Yea but the FRS doesnt have VTEC

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Prob, yes... But I'm insuring a sport car. If anyone bitch about insurance been high, maybe brand new sports car isn't the option

That's not the point. The insurance due to it being a sports car is only part of the story... the statistics based on violations and accidents of drivers behind the wheel of such a car play a bigger role. For example, an M3, with a full 130 hp more than my Evo, is less expensive to insure, despite being more powerful and also quicker accelerating, not to mention sportier and far more expensive. Why? Because too many people have been ticketed or been involved in physical damage claims in my car. That is what caused the rates to be even higher.

[civicdrivr]

Insurance companies look less at the type of car it is and more at the amount of claims for that particular model. My father used to be in underwriting and explained it to me.

They dont care if youve been driving 30 years without a single ticket or claim, its what everyone else does in that car that raises your rates.

[arsen89]

Honestly once you are sitting behind the seat of that thing, I dont think it matters from what I hear.

[mines13]

Originally Posted by DeeezNuuuts83

And for that same reason (not directing this at you), it's why the BRZ will still attract a slightly different demographic despite still being within the same price range. Sure, at that price difference, it accounts to your monthly payment changing by $25-30, which anyone can afford, but when looking at the numbers up front, the younger buyers will likely opt to save the money for the variant that is still 95% the same car but a bit more affordable.

I live in Orange County, California and beg to differ. I see plenty of children driving around in $40K+ cars, although not common nation wide; the driver makes the car, not the other way around. If one is an asshole driver regardless of age, it will be perceived badly either way.

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Originally Posted by mines13

I live in Orange County, California and beg to differ. I see plenty of children driving around in $40K+ cars, although not common nation wide; the driver makes the car, not the other way around. If one is an asshole driver regardless of age, it will be perceived badly either way.

I am in Orange County too, so I know what you mean, but again, that is not common of "children" that age, just people in this region where the median income is pretty high. But go up the 5 freeway and you definitely won't see those kinds of pairings in Santa Ana.

The driver makes the car... more expensive to insure. If nobody ever crashed a certain car, then that car's rates would likely stay pretty stable, regardless of what lurks under the hood, within reason (as 500+ hp vehicles will always be pricey regardless). But what happens to the car increases the rate for that car, and everyone pays for it because just like how statistics back younger drivers being more likely to be involved in accidents, having a car that has seen more than its fair share of claims might indicate that other drivers in it may see the same fate.

But again, if you're young or if you have five speeding tickets, your rates will suck regardless. So it's still based on the driver, but not just that.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by DeeezNuuuts83

That's not the point. The insurance due to it being a sports car is only part of the story... the statistics based on violations and accidents of drivers behind the wheel of such a car play a bigger role. For example, an M3, with a full 130 hp more than my Evo, is less expensive to insure, despite being more powerful and also quicker accelerating, not to mention sportier and far more expensive. Why? Because too many people have been ticketed or been involved in physical damage claims in my car. That is what caused the rates to be even higher.

Again, don't bother buying em then, simple as that. If you think, FRS/BRZ gonna have high insurance rate than GC, but GC has more hp & tq... go for it.

Ppl that still own STI, EVO, Si, & other ridiculously expensive insurance owners know what they're paying... but that car is worth every penny of that expensive insurance, so they keep em. That's my point, if FRS/BRZ isn't worth every penny of your insurance or worry about other morons gonna make it higher rate insurance... move on to another car.

It sound harsh, but worrying about these kind of things are endless. I heard it enough when GC came out

[YinYang1980]

i more scare that car become a hair dresser car....

[alyon]

Originally Posted by YinYang1980

i more scare that car become a hair dresser car....

" HEY LOOK GIRLS. ITS THE NEW TC"

As long as i dont hear that i am fine.