Help selecting Coilovers, for my needs :)

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by Mikeez

I read few review about RSR Sports I coilover.. seems good.

Most reviews about after market coilovers are good. Invariably they are found in forums. (Wait a sec, where am I posting this?) It is the same regardless if the review is about $700 Ebay specials or $7000 JRZs. This I attribute to a combination of 2 reasons in varying ratios.
1 The person doing the review doesn't have much of a data base to compare the new dampers to.
2 They have just forked out their hard earned money for this "improvement" therefore it is an improvement. This is not deliberate self deception on their behalf; it is just the way people's minds work.

Sometimes, if you are lucky, you will find opinions from people like Mike and Andy.



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[troek]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

Most reviews about after market coilovers are good. Invariably they are found in forums. (Wait a sec, where am I posting this?) It is the same regardless if the review is about $700 Ebay specials or $7000 JRZs. This I attribute to a combination of 2 reasons in varying ratios.
1 The person doing the review doesn't have much of a data base to compare the new dampers to.
2 They have just forked out their hard earned money for this "improvement" therefore it is an improvement. This is not deliberate self deception on their behalf; it is just the way people's minds work.

Sometimes, if you are lucky, you will find opinions from people like Mike and Andy.



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that is a very astute observation.

[jvincent]

Originally Posted by Mikeez

Comfort, no noise
Then performance

You still haven't defined what you mean by performance.

If you are just driving around Montreal (I'm in Ottawa but my parents are still in Montreal and I go there regularly) then I'm not sure what your performance needs are.

From your original post and other threads you are planning on putting 18x9.5 wheels with either 245/255 tires on but don't plan on taking the car to the track.

From all of the data you have provided you aren't going to be pushing the car hard, so I don't see where the whole performance point comes in.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by Mikeez

HKS HiperMAX IV SP
VS
RS*R Blacki Spec 7k/7k 36 click

Cusco Coilovers Street Zero-A 5k/5k 40 click
VS
Tanabe Sustec Z40 Coilovers 5k/5k 40 click
VS
Cusco Coilovers Street Zero-A - PB 5k/5k 40 click
VS
Other name bellow

I know you would have researched the spring rates on those dampers and noticed that there is no consensus on what is appropriate.
If you have a look here (and this list hasn't been updated for ages) you will see an even larger range of rates and f/r differences. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8739 The ratio of front to rear spring rate affects steering.

Also a high number of click adjustments usually indicates the marketing department had more input than the engineering department. By comparison high end dampers have in the region of 11-16 click adjustment (JRZ RSPro has 24 click of rebound, 12 compression) where each click actually does something beside make the "click" noise. If the dampers are using a simple needle valve (complex curves on the needle require more money to manufacture) for adjustment then there is a diminishing return of adjustment from fully closed.

[buddy32]

If I were in your shoes, I'd go RCE T0's with Raceseng tophats (some camber + little more caster). Sounds like you won't be taking too much advantage of adjustable coilovers. There are a lot of options have been street and even tracked with no real negative feedback. Also, I would take CSG and RCE advice pretty seriously, they have had a LOT of experience on this platform.

Post back what you end up with and your impressions on your roads. (everyone seems to think their roads are the worst...)

Good luck!

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

Most reviews about after market coilovers are good. Invariably they are found in forums. (Wait a sec, where am I posting this?) It is the same regardless if the review is about $700 Ebay specials or $7000 JRZs. This I attribute to a combination of 2 reasons in varying ratios.
1 The person doing the review doesn't have much of a data base to compare the new dampers to.
2 They have just forked out their hard earned money for this "improvement" therefore it is an improvement. This is not deliberate self deception on their behalf; it is just the way people's minds work.

Sometimes, if you are lucky, you will find opinions from people like Mike and Andy.



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Yep.


This is called "confirmation bias."

[CSG David]

RS*R Sport-i is a good street coilover with very light tracking ability. It annihilates your original list in terms of comfort and performance.

[Shark_Bait88]

Originally Posted by Mikeez

Because Japanese car!

The Japanese company (Toyota) certainly seems to think that German parts are high quality, since they went with a German supplier for the OE dampers on the 2015 models.

I can kind of understand wanting to keep things on your car Japanese, I'd rather do a 1UZ swap than an LS1. However, when it comes to aftermarket parts like this, if performance is your primary goal (it doesn't seem it is with you), I wouldn't discriminate by country of origin.

It's starting to sound like you just want an easy fix drop to fit your wheels, it doesn't seem that performance is all that important to you. In which case the coilovers you listed as recommendations will accomplish that.

I don't think you're listening to the right people though. If you want to stick with Japanese parts, listen to the guys who know this stuff (as it's their livelihood) and go with the RS*R Sport-i.

[yomny]

Originally Posted by Mikeez

RS*R Blacki Spec

These, but Sportsi version, the blacki are to lower the car more which would cause camber.. lots more, depending on the drop.

[srizzors25]

What about the Tein Street Basis or something like that? I have those on my car, they go for a tick under $800 which can give you enough money to buy the supporting mods like camber bolts, lcas, most likely toe arms in the rear to keep your alignment all in check. This way you can spend money on quality parts which should put you in good shape inside your budget.

They have a spring rate of 5k/6k which is relatively comfortable for street driving, canyon driving. I'm sure they would be ok on the track if you ever want to do that but probably would not be the best for that. I don't think you are going to want something with an 8k/6k spring rate as that would be pretty rough on the road especially if you don't have a bunch of nice roads to drive on.

I've heard good things about Tein, I don't think they are just another cheap coilover brand. You could ask RCE about their quality as I can't attest directly to that.

Then also I looked at buying the ST coils, made by KW, street spring rates etc fun stuff there too

[Mikeez]

Originally Posted by jvincent

You still haven't defined what you mean by performance.

If you are just driving around Montreal (I'm in Ottawa but my parents are still in Montreal and I go there regularly) then I'm not sure what your performance needs are.

From your original post and other threads you are planning on putting 18x9.5 wheels with either 245/255 tires on but don't plan on taking the car to the track.

From all of the data you have provided you aren't going to be pushing the car hard, so I don't see where the whole performance point comes in.

Originally Posted by CSG David

RS*R Sport-i is a good street coilover with very light tracking ability. It annihilates your original list in terms of comfort and performance.

Originally Posted by srizzors25

What about the Tein Street Basis or something like that? I have those on my car, they go for a tick under $800 which can give you enough money to buy the supporting mods like camber bolts, lcas, most likely toe arms in the rear to keep your alignment all in check. This way you can spend money on quality parts which should put you in good shape inside your budget.

They have a spring rate of 5k/6k which is relatively comfortable for street driving, canyon driving. I'm sure they would be ok on the track if you ever want to do that but probably would not be the best for that. I don't think you are going to want something with an 8k/6k spring rate as that would be pretty rough on the road especially if you don't have a bunch of nice roads to drive on.

I've heard good things about Tein, I don't think they are just another cheap coilover brand. You could ask RCE about their quality as I can't attest directly to that.

Then also I looked at buying the ST coils, made by KW, street spring rates etc fun stuff there too

Okay, guys... too much suggestions at once. You guys don't recommend me a Japanese coilover. Fine...


Recommend me one coilover, 2000$ price ranges little more or bellow it doesn't matter. I want to have a comfortable ride, if the coilover requires me to use OEM top mounts or different top mounts, mention it bellow. I don't want to ruin the performance aspect of the car, in means that this car still did come with good handling.

[jvincent]

The RSR sport-i that has been recommended is Japanese. It comes with top hats.

Your next best choice is the RCE Tarmac 0. It requires you to reuse the OEM top hats.

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by Mikeez

Recommend me one coilover, 2000$ price ranges little more or bellow it doesn't matter. I want to have a comfortable ride, if the coilover requires me to use OEM top mounts or different top mounts, mention it bellow. I don't want to ruin the performance aspect of the car, in means that this car still did come with good handling.

RS*R and TEIN are pretty Japanese. Their USA office is located pretty close to us so we pay them visits often enough..

RS*R Sport-i for a performance. RS*R Black-i for lifestyle coilovers. TEIN Street Flex are also a good option as well.

All listed coilovers come with their own top hats. They are not harsher or exponentially more noisy than what people claim them to be. Tighten everything, install it properly, and it will be fine. Plus if you don't install them properly, you'll notice some weird noises and weird handling characteristics.

[Mikeez]

Okay thanks I will take your words for it, but just out of the box... KW v3 are also street use and DD lol if I use oem top mount?