FT-86 SpeedFactory Catted UEL Header

[Foobar]

Originally Posted by STV3

So after reading all these good things about the OFT I am now thinking about getting one.

Just want to know two things.

1. Can you disable the secondary O2 sensor with the OFT to rid of the P0420 code?

2. If so, will this allow me to pass inspection. Basically when they plug into the OBD2 port for the inspection, it wont read as if the ECU is in open loop (I think thats what it is called) like I just reset my ECU to turn off a CEL.

1) Yes - you can disable the P0420 DTC with any flashing tuning solution.

2) Depends on your state and condition of exhaust system. Technically, as soon as you touch either of the OEM cats, it's no longer in compliance. Some states will perform a visual test and you'll fail that immediately. Others will perform a sniffer test and depending on how well your secondary cat works, you may or may not pass. Still other states perform only an OBD2 readiness test, and in those states, you'll pass, assuming the other sensors are all reporting OK and ready. You can use an app like Torque or some other OBD2 scan tool to check the readiness status of all of your sensors. Some states allow you to fail 2 of them and still consider your car passable.

[Foobar]

Originally Posted by kodyo

I don't think the quality is quite the same though (material and workmanship). This is mostly speculation based on the fact that FT86SF actually lists the material and OFH just lists it as stainless, and the fact that OFH is made somewhere in east asia, and FT86SF is made in the US. I did consider the OFH/OFT combo, but decided to go with this since I wasn't ready for a tune and wasn't sure about the quality of the OFH headers.

For what it's worth, OFH is only a 1 year warranty. FT86SF is lifetime.

Obviously I'm going to be pretty biased since I already purchased this and haven't had any issues.

My OFH is marked as SUS304 which is the same grade as the FT86SF I believe. Workmanship - I'm no expert on tubing/welding, but it definitely looks worlds cleaner than a Borla. FT86SF's lifetime warranty is definitely head and shoulders above the competition.

[Phantobe]

Originally Posted by Foobar

My OFH is marked as SUS304 which is the same grade as the FT86SF I believe. Workmanship - I'm no expert on tubing/welding, but it definitely looks worlds cleaner than a Borla. FT86SF's lifetime warranty is definitely head and shoulders above the competition.

Howeveeeeer.

You are able to get OFH+OFT for 1k. Which is the price for these headers alone, so there are some definite tradeoffs.

If you get this header + OFT (most people like tunes) you're basically paying 500 for a lifetime warranty, at least that's one way to look at it in comparison to the OFT+OFH combo lol.

[STV3]

Originally Posted by Foobar

1) Yes - you can disable the P0420 DTC with any flashing tuning solution.

2) Depends on your state and condition of exhaust system. Technically, as soon as you touch either of the OEM cats, it's no longer in compliance. Some states will perform a visual test and you'll fail that immediately. Others will perform a sniffer test and depending on how well your secondary cat works, you may or may not pass. Still other states perform only an OBD2 readiness test, and in those states, you'll pass, assuming the other sensors are all reporting OK and ready. You can use an app like Torque or some other OBD2 scan tool to check the readiness status of all of your sensors. Some states allow you to fail 2 of them and still consider your car passable.

Ok awesome thank you!

Yeah the O2 readiness is all I need here in NY. Plus I have a good mechanic that I am close with that knows I modify my cars. They pass my SRT-4 which has a straight pipe on it but no CEL's due to my Mopar Stage 1 ECU which just doesn't pick up any CAT related codes I guess.

[Foobar]

Originally Posted by STV3

Ok awesome thank you!

Yeah the O2 readiness is all I need here in NY. Plus I have a good mechanic that I am close with that knows I modify my cars. They pass my SRT-4 which has a straight pipe on it but no CEL's due to my Mopar Stage 1 ECU which just doesn't pick up any CAT related codes I guess.

You're fine then - I'm also in NY and while our car's not old enough to get the smog check yet, I'm confident it will pass.

2015 will be the first year the 2013 models get smog checked in NY, so I'm set until August.

[Trettiosjuan]

Originally Posted by Phantobe

Howeveeeeer.

You are able to get OFH+OFT for 1k. Which is the price for these headers alone, so there are some definite tradeoffs.

If you get this header + OFT (most people like tunes) you're basically paying 500 for a lifetime warranty, at least that's one way to look at it in comparison to the OFT+OFH combo lol.

Howeveeeer.

I got this header because it has a cat which makes it cleaner and quieter and that can only partially be compensated with a catted front pipe. And not at all if you already have a catted front pipe, so for me an OFH wasn't even an option.

And, can't compare power figures, but I remain in the idea that this header is the easiest way to remove any torque dip, no special tuning needed.

[Phantobe]

Originally Posted by Trettiosjuan

Howeveeeer.

I got this header because it has a cat which makes it cleaner and quieter and that can only partially be compensated with a catted front pipe. And not at all if you already have a catted front pipe, so for me an OFH wasn't even an option.

And, can't compare power figures, but I remain in the idea that this header is the easiest way to remove any torque dip, no special tuning needed.

I think a comparison thread is in order because I'm considering these two setups lol.

OFT+OFH vs. FT86 SF Catted UEL

They are pretty much at the same price point.

[Foobar]

Originally Posted by Phantobe

I think a comparison thread is in order because I'm considering these two setups lol.

OFT+OFH vs. FT86 SF Catted UEL

They are pretty much at the same price point.

I wouldn't put a Tune + uncatted header against a catted header by itself as a fair comparison, unless you're just comparing sound.

[Phantobe]

Originally Posted by Foobar

I wouldn't put a Tune + uncatted header against a catted header by itself as a fair comparison, unless you're just comparing sound.

Well to me it's worth cross shopping the two. Didn't say anything about it being fair but for "x" amount of cash these two setups to be fairly popular and offer good bang for buck.

Each will have its own pros and cons, I'll do me some research when I'm home. I'm a cali resident so sound is a bit of a concern, as far as loudness.

[Foobar]

Originally Posted by Phantobe

Well to me it's worth cross shopping the two. Didn't say anything about it being fair but for "x" amount of cash these two setups to be fairly popular and offer good bang for buck.

Each will have its own pros and cons, I'll do me some research when I'm home. I'm a cali resident so sound is a bit of a concern, as far as loudness.

They serve two different purposes though, apples and oranges. What is the comparison?

Power? Tune + Uncatted wins.
Value? Tune + Uncatted wins.
Ability to reduce emissions? Catted wins.
Ability to use on a purely stock intake/exhaust car without throwing CEL without a tune? Catted wins.

[STV3]

Just ordered my OFT from FT86SpeedFactory. Will update everyone once it comes in.

Also I am now running a Greddy Supreme SP catback with my header and catted motiv front pipe (CEL was an issue before I added the catback)

Pshh and I bought this car as my daily and said I was going to keep it stock.... SMH

[chas3wba0]

Originally Posted by Foobar

They serve two different purposes though, apples and oranges. What is the comparison?

Power? Tune + Uncatted wins.
Value? Tune + Uncatted wins.
Ability to reduce emissions? Catted wins.
Ability to use on a purely stock intake/exhaust car without throwing CEL without a tune? Catted wins.

I daresay catted also wins in the sound department... uncatted can get pretty raspy--unless you're into that sort of thing

[Foobar]

Originally Posted by chas3wba0

I daresay catted also wins in the sound department... uncatted can get pretty raspy--unless you're into that sort of thing

Mine is not raspy, but I have a resonated Perrin catback and catted Perrin front pipe, so even that comparison isn't fair, and it's really subjective since one's priority might be on quietness, which the catted would definitely win, whereas another's might be on volume, which the uncatted would win.

As far as I can slice or dice it, the FT86SF Catted UEL serves a different population than the uncatted counterparts out there, and when we're specifically talking about OFH, I don't think you can go wrong with FT86SF vs. OFH, so long as you know what you're looking for. Price/value, I'd have to give it to OFH, of course, but if you need/want a cat, then I'd definitely give it to FT86SF.

[Phantobe]

Originally Posted by Foobar

They serve two different purposes though, apples and oranges. What is the comparison?

Power? Tune + Uncatted wins.
Value? Tune + Uncatted wins.
Ability to reduce emissions? Catted wins.
Ability to use on a purely stock intake/exhaust car without throwing CEL without a tune? Catted wins.

Well that's a very crude way to compare things, I'm more interested in metrics & what not I'm very meticulous in deciding on things. My comparison will be much more detailed.

I'll do the research myself its for my own curiosity really.