FR-S Future Models 2016+

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by themadscientist

Whoever designed the styling of that car needs to have all his pencils broken.



It's likely the same guy responsible for the new, equally vomit-inducing Daihatsu Copen.

It looks like it took a page out of the nissan idx concept

[themadscientist]

That thing continues to piss me off. Nissan's infatuation with CVTs is infuriating. I'm a Nissan guy; I've been in Skylines of all types for years, Silvias and 180SXes too and as I look for a new car, they have nothing for me, but the 370Z which is about as exciting as dry toast.

I didn't like it when Toyota tried to invoke the memory of the hachiroku to sell the new car, it's marketing bs. The idx is purposefully trying to recall the 510 and most of my Nissan cohorts are eating it up, but then Nissan does what Nissan does, they get vague and start talking about weak engines and CVTs with little buttons as if it's a proper manual.

You know what, Nissan, **** you. Enough of your shit. Leave that crate of R32 parts by the door and leave your garage keys in the bowl. We are done. I want to see other cars.



And no, it's NOT me, it IS you.

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by themadscientist

That thing continues to piss me off. Nissan's infatuation with CVTs is infuriating. I'm a Nissan guy; I've been in Skylines of all types for years, Silvias and 180SXes too and as I look for a new car, they have nothing for me, but the 370Z which is about as exciting as dry toast.

I didn't like it when Toyota tried to invoke the memory of the hachiroku to sell the new car, it's marketing bs. The idx is purposefully trying to recall the 510 and most of my Nissan cohorts are eating it up, but then Nissan does what Nissan does, they get vague and start talking about weak engines and CVTs with little buttons as if it's a proper manual.

You know what, Nissan, **** you. Enough of your shit. Leave that crate of R32 parts by the door and leave your garage keys in the bowl. We are done. I want to see other cars.



And no, it's NOT me, it IS you.

Way to let them down easy....

[themadscientist]

It's going to be harder to talk to Mazda. I still love them, but their RX7 is the one I have to sell to make room for the BRZ.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by phobos512

The sub-86 is an entirely different platform. It's not an FT1 derivative.

I read and re-read my post, and I can't find any place where I said or implied anything even remotely close to that.

[Tromatic]

The first-gen FR-S will be the best of them all, since it it was designed and built by gearheads despite the best efforts of the money-men.

ETA: It's not about power or straight-line speed. If you cant have fun in a stock FR-S on the street or track, YOU SUCK AS A DRIVER, and no amount of trickery or gadgets will make you better.

ETA: How f-ing hard is it to understand that the FR-S/BRZ/86 is a car designed to a price-point? It is jammed in a very narrow window, and to make it a significantly better car will put it into BMW and Mercedes money.

There has not been a better basic learn-to-drive-well car than this in forever.

[Braces]

Tromatic ... I totally agree with you. But all these cosmetic enhancements to the original 86 is the bean counter's way to make more money on the same platform. Some minimal power upgrades (20-50hp) would further the 86 platform for future buyers. I know ... Im just dreaming!

[themadscientist]

Time for a supercharger or a turbo from the manufacturer.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by Tromatic

The first-gen FR-S will be the best of them all, since it it was designed and built by gearheads despite the best efforts of the money-men.

ETA: It's not about power or straight-line speed. If you cant have fun in a stock FR-S on the street or track, YOU SUCK AS A DRIVER, and no amount of trickery or gadgets will make you better.

ETA: How f-ing hard is it to understand that the FR-S/BRZ/86 is a car designed to a price-point? It is jammed in a very narrow window, and to make it a significantly better car will put it into BMW and Mercedes money.

There has not been a better basic learn-to-drive-well car than this in forever.

The 86 is a great car, especially for the price, but that doesn't mean the car is perfect. There are simple and relatively cheap adjustments that could be made to the car that would make it even better.

[Sarlacc]

Originally Posted by Tromatic

It's not about power or straight-line speed. If you cant have fun in a stock FR-S on the street or track, YOU SUCK AS A DRIVER, and no amount of trickery or gadgets will make you better.

Amen.

[Wise]

Originally Posted by civdaddy

I thinkk nothing as well. In the 90s toyota had the supra as the high end sports car, the mr2 as the lower end sports car, and the celica as the sportish grocery getter.

When the supra comes out, the frs and tc will essentially be the "mr2" and "celica" of the 90s.

History sure has a way of repeating itself.

The 90's had the economy to support 3 sports cars in a Japanese company's lineup though.

1990's

Nissan had the Skyline, 300ZX, GTiR Pulsar and Silvia
Toyota had the Supra, MR2 and Celica
Mazda had the RX7 and MX5 (Miata)
Mitsubishi had the 3000GT, the FTO, the EVO 2-5 and the Eclipse in North America
Honda had the NSX, Integra, S2000, Prelude, Del Sol
Subaru had the WRX

NOW

Nissan has the 370Z and the GTR
Toyota has the GT86
Mazda has the MX5 (Not going to include the MPS as that isn't a sports car)
Mitsubishi has the EVO (Which won't be around much longer)
Honda has... nothing really.
Subaru has the WRX and the BRZ

So the only company that has more sports cars than they did back then is Subaru, who isn't the sole owner of the BRZ development platform.

The reverse is true of European manufacturers.

90's Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo, Mercedes, BMW, Audi and Aston Martin had fewer models.

What this tells you is that European companies see a larger market for sports cars and to the market a European car like an AMG is more attractive than a Japanese equivalent. Japanese don't see the point in proliferating sports cars when they're already doing so well with white goods cars and people movers.

If anything we should be happy we got the 86/BRZ at all.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by Wise

The 90's had the economy to support 3 sports cars in a Japanese company's lineup though.

1990's

Nissan had the Skyline, 300ZX, GTiR Pulsar and Silvia
Toyota had the Supra, MR2 and Celica
Mazda had the RX7 and MX5 (Miata)
Mitsubishi had the 3000GT, the FTO, the EVO 2-5 and the Eclipse in North America
Honda had the NSX, Integra, S2000, Prelude, Del Sol
Subaru had the WRX

NOW

Nissan has the 370Z and the GTR
Toyota has the GT86
Mazda has the MX5 (Not going to include the MPS as that isn't a sports car)
Mitsubishi has the EVO (Which won't be around much longer)
Honda has... nothing really.
Subaru has the WRX and the BRZ

You forgot a couple of cars there like the RCF, Lancer Ralliart, Mazdaspeed3(you listed several cars from the 90s that are not sports cars), Civic Si/Type R, and the Skyline (g37).

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Wise

Subaru had the WRX
Mitsubishi had the 3000GT, the FTO, the EVO 2-5 and the Eclipse in North America
Honda had the NSX, Integra, S2000, Prelude, Del Sol

Subaru also had the SVX, which was meant to compete with the Supra.

The WRX and EVO are not sports cars. They are economy/family cars dressed up with go-fast parts. There is no such thing as a four-door sports car. Even the fact that people race them does not make them sports cars. People race pickup trucks.

The Mitsubishi GTO, FTO and Eclipse were all front wheel drive. So were the Acura Integra, Honda Prelude and Honda Del Sol. There is no such thing as a front wheel drive sports car. Those are economy cars masquerading as sports cars. The Del Sol is particularly funny because it was just a Civic dressed up to look like a sports car so that people who couldn't actually afford sports cars could pretend they had one.

At best some of these can be classified as sport coupes or sport compacts, classifications that were created to distinguish them from actual sports cars. You can take one of these cars, pump $60K into them to make them faster and STILL not have a sports car.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

Subaru also had the SVX, which was meant to compete with the Supra.

The WRX and EVO are not sports cars. They are economy/family cars dressed up with go-fast parts. There is no such thing as a four-door sports car. Even the fact that people race them does not make them sports cars. People race pickup trucks.

The Mitsubishi GTO, FTO and Eclipse were all front wheel drive. So were the Acura Integra, Honda Prelude and Honda Del Sol. There is no such thing as a front wheel drive sports car. Those are economy cars masquerading as sports cars. The Del Sol is particularly funny because it was just a Civic dressed up to look like a sports car so that people who couldn't actually afford sports cars could pretend they had one.

At best some of these can be classified as sport coupes or sport compacts, classifications that were created to distinguish them from actual sports cars. You can take one of these cars, pump $60K into them to make them faster and STILL not have a sports car.

They offered AWD with the eclipse.