Has anyone used this BBK (Racingbrake)

[Model Citizen]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

ok so nothing specific about RB applications for this car, and... despite negative feedback on this board about Brembo, AP, Wilwood, and even the STi Brembo retrofit for this platform youre leery about the brand with no reported issues. Brilliant.

You present logic like a salesman.

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by Model Citizen

You present logic like a salesman.

And your point is presented with the "logic" of brand loyalty. Which may be a process that works for you, but I try to not follow. Present relevant data and/or evidence instead of relying on weak attempts to connect old products to new ones, or make warnings a out failures that haven't actually happened. Until then, your leeriness really isn't very valuable.

[Model Citizen]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

And your point is presented with the "logic" of brand loyalty. Which may be a process that works for you, but I try to not follow. Present relevant data and/or evidence instead of relying on weak attempts to connect old products to new ones, or make warnings a out failures that haven't actually happened. Until then, your leeriness really isn't very valuable.

You could try google too instead of raving blindly against anyone that doesn't share your opinion.

https://www.google.com/search?client...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2614743

http://www.tsxclub.com/forums/1st-ge...tors-poll.html

http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42431

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...7&postcount=66

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...8&postcount=68

You honestly sound like a company shill. Heres 5 minutes of my time.

Now be a good shill and back up what you were posting here.

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

Note that people on this board have noted "issues" with Wilwood, Brembo, re-branded STI, and even AP setups for this platform. Most of those were either poorly selected components, incorrect installation, wrong application (track setups used as DD during winter) and/or first to market (bleeding edge) applications. That's not enough to make me hesitate to use any of those products in my FR-S either. Until RB issues are seen on this platform I don't think anecdotes of RB Corrado rotors (of all things) carrying enough weight to make any kind of buying decision.

Now, do you really think brake manufacturers create entirely "new" products for each platform. Or engineer and adapt whats already been developed for each specific fitment?

In terms of personal experience, My ap kit has been flawless. The brembos on my forester have been flawless.

Racingbrake may very well have a solid product, I don't really know or care. But i do know that I've seen more issues floating around the internet from them than others. I'd still buy them in a heartbeat over any of the 8000 piston ksport type variants though.

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by Model Citizen

You could try google too instead of raving blindly against anyone that doesn't share your opinion.

https://www.google.com/search?client...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2614743

http://www.tsxclub.com/forums/1st-ge...tors-poll.html

http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42431

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...7&postcount=66

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...8&postcount=68

You honestly sound like a company shill. Heres 5 minutes of my time.

Now be a good shill and back up what you were posting here.



Now, do you really think brake manufacturers create entirely "new" products for each platform. Or engineer and adapt whats already been developed for each specific fitment?

In terms of personal experience, My ap kit has been flawless. The brembos on my forester have been flawless.

Racingbrake may very well have a solid product, I don't really know or care. But i do know that I've seen more issues floating around the internet from them than others. I'd still buy them in a heartbeat over any of the 8000 piston ksport type variants though.

Really?

Anyone can play the post a bunch of internet search links. Doesn't mean much unless it's applied to specific applications to specific products. How do you think products are improved? R&D and then the design is improved through iterations in the real world. ALL COMPANIES DO THIS.

So you've found some people that have had a problem with other RB products by Googling. Man that's impressive. Any brand or product this can be done for. This is seriously the premise you've chosen to stand on?

Brembo
http://www.bing.com/search?q=brembo+...abfd85141a86c7

AP Racing
http://www.bing.com/search?form=MOZP...acing+problems

Wilwood
http://www.bing.com/search?q=Wilwood...d3495906ca2de2

Endless
http://www.bing.com/search?q=Endless...200ef9ffc20bfc

Yes products are adapted for use in other products. That doesn't mean those same parts aren't improved over time. Do you have facts that those same parts are used in the RB kit? Nope. Another weak premise.

In all those links and in all that noise you still failed to produce anyone complaining of RB issues on THIS platform. This is would be the most relevant piece of information. However you can't produce it.

With your logic that should make people leery about buying from anyone. So why is it upsetting to you that I would stand on searching for more relevant facts? Is it simply because I disagree with your flimsy assessment?

Now you go about calling me a shill because I look for hard evidence before forming an opinion. That's logical to you? If this is what you need to yet to defend your position, it only reflects the weakness of your position.

Plain and simple, I like to see businesses get a fair shake. I have nothing to do with RB as a company. I don't know any of them, I don't own their products.

However you noted that you own an AP racing kit. Confirmation bias much or maybe you're the shill (no I don't actually believe that, but by your logic it's not only possible but probable).

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

Really?

Anyone can play the post a bunch of internet search links. Doesn't mean much unless it's applied to specific applications to specific products. How do you think products are improved? R&D and then the design is improved through iterations in the real world. ALL COMPANIES DO THIS.

So you've found some people that have had a problem with other RB products by Googling. Man that's impressive. Any brand or product this can be done for. This is seriously the premise you've chosen to stand on?

Brembo
http://www.bing.com/search?q=brembo+...abfd85141a86c7

AP Racing
http://www.bing.com/search?form=MOZP...acing+problems

Wilwood
http://www.bing.com/search?q=Wilwood...d3495906ca2de2

Endless
http://www.bing.com/search?q=Endless...200ef9ffc20bfc

Yes products are adapted for use in other products. That doesn't mean those same parts aren't improved over time. Do you have facts that those same parts are used in the RB kit? Nope. Another weak premise.

In all those links and in all that noise you still failed to produce anyone complaining of RB issues on THIS platform. This is would be the most relevant piece of information. However you can't produce it.

With your logic that should make people leery about buying from anyone. So why is it upsetting to you that I would stand on searching for more relevant facts? Is it simply because I disagree with your flimsy assessment?

Now you go about calling me a shill because I look for hard evidence before forming an opinion. That's logical to you? If this is what you need to yet to defend your position, it only reflects the weakness of your position.

Plain and simple, I like to see businesses get a fair shake. I have nothing to do with RB as a company. I don't know any of them, I don't own their products.

However you noted that you own an AP racing kit. Confirmation bias much or maybe you're the shill (no I don't actually believe that, but by your logic it's not only possible but probable).

Have you actually tried looking at the results for your searches?

[mav1178]

The biggest problem with Google is anyone posting links from a regular browser window, which will provide you search results based on your own previous browsing history and search history.

Everything needs to be done within Incognito Mode to be "bias-free" as far as search results are concerned.

-alex

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Have you actually tried looking at the results for your searches?

Mike as you know, anyone can find links that a brand has had issues with one of their products. Thus the Raceseng example I mentioned. Companies get it both right and wrong in their product development. Anyone can post links that have dubious relevance and that's exactly my point with the URLs. I didn't cherry pick the URLs.

Finding examples of direct applications for specific products is more relevant and reliable and in my mind useful for making recommendations. That is all.

The OP wrote " Has anyone used this BBK (Racingbrake) http://www.ebay.ca/itm/RacingBrake-B...4acf2c&vxp=mtr
Any user experience? Performance on track? Pad selection?"

Maybe he meant any of their products ever. I assume he meant on an '86. I didn't make a recommendation for or against RB, just said that there were two sides to the story posted and to make sure the evidence was reliable and specific. Not to be curt, but if that type of logic makes me a shill to a couple of guys in this thread I could really care less.

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by mav1178

The biggest problem with Google is anyone posting links from a regular browser window, which will provide you search results based on your own previous browsing history and search history.

Everything needs to be done within Incognito Mode to be "bias-free" as far as search results are concerned.

-alex

The infamous filter bubble. The TED talk about it really sheds some light.
http://www.ted.com/talks/eli_pariser...filter_bubbles

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Have you actually tried looking at the results for your searches?

haha that was going to be my response.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

Mike as you know, anyone can find links that a brand has had issues with one of their products. Thus the Raceseng example I mentioned. Companies get it both right and wrong in their product development. Anyone can post links that have dubious relevance and that's exactly my point with the URLs. I didn't cherry pick the URLs.

Finding examples of direct applications for specific products is more relevant and reliable and in my mind useful for making recommendations. That is all.

The OP wrote " Has anyone used this BBK (Racingbrake) http://www.ebay.ca/itm/RacingBrake-B...4acf2c&vxp=mtr
Any user experience? Performance on track? Pad selection?"

Maybe he meant any of their products ever. I assume he meant on an '86. I didn't make a recommendation for or against RB, just said that there were two sides to the story posted and to make sure the evidence was reliable and specific. Not to be curt, but if that type of logic makes me a shill to a couple of guys in this thread I could really care less.

While every company can mess up on a platform here and there, but be generally good.. when there are MULTIPLE platforms with issues the odds are in favor of there being issues on this platform as well. It's the same parts, so issues with the parts can affect this platform also. So if their calipers suck (shitty seals, too much flex, etc - an example, I don't care to research them) on a Golf and the same caliper is used here well then it's going to still suck on this application as well.


I also love data though...

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

While every company can mess up on a platform here and there, but be generally good.. when there are MULTIPLE platforms with issues the odds are in favor of there being issues on this platform as well. It's the same parts, so issues with the parts can affect this platform also. So if their calipers suck (shitty seals, too much flex, etc - an example, I don't care to research them) on a Golf and the same caliper is used here well then it's going to still suck on this application as well.


I also love data though...

So then the question would be if any of the exact same components are being used from their Golf kit to the '86 kit. Do we know this as fact right now? Finding that out makes a lot more sense then drawing inexact conclusions, then calling me a shill when I bring up the notion. Until then everyone is just speculating based off a few anecdotes with some jumping harder behind that speculation than others.

[that_guy]

I'm finding this pretty entertaining. In short, they are a small company with no actual racing pedigree, despite the name, appear to fall short in track use (observation only), and have a bad rap from other platforms using it.

Sorry, to me that seems like reason enough to steer clear until the muddy water settles.

Case in point, if the Scion FR-S/Subaru BRZ was a Daewoo, you'd probably have thought twice about buying it, no matter how pretty and functional it might have appeared. Brands sell and they sell better when they have a background people trust. People gain trust either from personal experience or the experiences of others. It doesn't take much to tarnish that trust though.

[Model Citizen]

Originally Posted by that_guy

Case in point, if the Scion FR-S/Subaru BRZ was a Daewoo, you'd probably have thought twice about buying it, no matter how pretty and functional it might have appeared. Brands sell and they sell better when they have a background people trust. People gain trust either from personal experience or the experiences of others. It doesn't take much to tarnish that trust though.

example: cosworth

[Deep Six]

I used their 2 piece rotors with factory calipers and DTC 70 pads when tracking my C63. Never had any issues and they were much lighter than the MB one piece. The car was 3900 pounds and made over 500whp which had to be tough on the brakes.


I just put their front BBK on the FRS with 960 pads for the track (Pro Mu CR in back) I have one and a half sessions with them at Roebling before a coil pack shut down. Brake performance was stellar for the short time I was out there. Car was moving great for August with a 1:22 best lap. I will be at Sebring in two weeks which will be an acid test.


With street pads there is zero noise and nearly dust free.