Stage 2 Cosworth Kit Preview!!!!

[Levi]

All I see in this thread is a bunch of frustrated guys that are too poor to afford anything with Cosworth badge on it.

[Sleepless]

Originally Posted by Turbowned

I would simply prefer the Cosworth kit because of it's heritage and experience in world class motorsport and engine building

And that was my main point. The resale value of a car with a Cosworth kit vs any of the other kits is going to be higher for more people; regardless of whether or not the kit is "better" than the other kits.

[Calum]

Originally Posted by Turbowned

Tomei is one of the best, if not *the* best, engine builders in Japan. Their products are top, top, top notch. I don't know what a Nameless header costs relative to a Tomei one, but I can assure you the Tomei header is at least as good as the Nameless header, and in my instance, it's ceramic coated to boot. Also consider that Vortech was first to market and thus has the most kits on the road and the most miles logged in testing and real world driving. My kit has a few revisions since the original kit that addressed minor issues over time. And the numbers speak for themselves. So I wouldn't put down the Vortech kit vs. the Cosworth kit. Both are excellent products. I would simply prefer the Cosworth kit because of it's heritage and experience in world class motorsport and engine building, including tweaking the engine in my RS6 to produce 450hp from the factory

http://shop.namelessperformance.com/...-4-2-1-header/

http://www.tomeiusa.com/_2003web-cat...brz_equal.html

The nameless wouldn't fit with your kit so for you it's a moot point. But that particular Tomei product looks like crap compared to the nameless one. The Tomei looks like a re-badged vivid racing/agency power header.

http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/2...-p-157316.html

[Model Citizen]

Originally Posted by Levi

All I see in this thread is a bunch of frustrated guys that are too poor to afford anything with Cosworth badge on it.

http://www.dmb.uk.com/prod/807/power...orth-gel-badge

boom, now we can all be happy and get back to blowing eachother because we all have the dopest cars on the planet.

Originally Posted by Sleepless

And that was my main point. The resale value of a car with a Cosworth kit vs any of the other kits is going to be higher for more people; regardless of whether or not the kit is "better" than the other kits.

The word resale value and modding should never mix. This hobby is an evil money sink.

More accurately the whole concept of spending x more up front to get y more at resale where x is atleast 2x greater than y and x is also 50% greater than alternative option z is a terrible idea.

That "return" is never actually realized when you factor in the initial increase in investment.

Its like when people buy the fully loaded model of a car for an extra 25% justifying it that the car will be worth more later on and then find out at resale it only adds 10% to the value of the car over a base model.

[Jesse@JDLAutodesign]

Originally Posted by Calum

http://shop.namelessperformance.com/...-4-2-1-header/

http://www.tomeiusa.com/_2003web-cat...brz_equal.html

The nameless wouldn't fit with your kit so for you it's a moot point. But that particular Tomei product looks like crap compared to the nameless one. The Tomei looks like a re-badged vivid racing/agency power header.

http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/2...-p-157316.html

Glad someone said it!

[Sleepless]

Originally Posted by Model Citizen

The word resale value and modding should never mix. This hobby is an evil money sink.

More accurately the whole concept of spending x more up front to get y more at resale where x is atleast 2x greater than y and x is also 50% greater than alternative option z is a terrible idea.

That "return" is never actually realized when you factor in the initial increase in investment.

Its like when people buy the fully loaded model of a car for an extra 25% justifying it that the car will be worth more later on and then find out at resale it only adds 10% to the value of the car over a base model.

Well, what I see in this thread is that kits all cost close enough to the same price if you include all the same basic parts. Yes, the non-Cosworth kits all claim more power, but there are also several discussions on this forum about how these kits don't make their dyno power numbers on the track or consistently as temps go up. So, I'm more likely to believe the lower/conservative power numbers for the Cosworth than for the others.

[Model Citizen]

Originally Posted by Sleepless

Well, what I see in this thread is that kits all cost close enough to the same price if you include all the same basic parts. Yes, the non-Cosworth kits all claim more power, but there are also several discussions on this forum about how these kits don't make their dyno power numbers on the track or consistently as temps go up. So, I'm more likely to believe the lower/conservative power numbers for the Cosworth than for the others.

I paid $4300 for my kraftwerks kit with ecutek, and the current kw tune is actually pretty good, despite having purchased one of the early kits with the original contracted delicious tune they were kind enough to send me the inhouse tune as well.

Rotorex blowers have their own oil cooler, which is kind of nice for peace of mind on track. My car felt great on track all summer, and it looks like popping an engine will happen no sooner than next season, if not later.


But i thought we were talking about resale?

[Sleepless]

Originally Posted by Model Citizen

But i thought we were talking about resale?

I was talking about the total cost of kits...

[Levi]

Originally Posted by Model Citizen

I paid $4300 for my kraftwerks kit with ecutek, and the current kw tune is actually pretty good, despite having purchased one of the early kits with the original contracted delicious tune they were kind enough to send me the inhouse tune as well.

Rotorex blowers have their own oil cooler, which is kind of nice for peace of mind on track. My car felt great on track all summer, and it looks like popping an engine will happen no sooner than next season, if not later.


But i thought we were talking about resale?

Oh you have you kit? So what is you issue? You don't have to buy Cosworth. And nobody thinks you kit is bad or worse than Cosworth. Not a single person thinks Cosworth > The World. Just you a showing inferiority complex by bashing the Cosworth kit, when nobody thinks your kit is inferior. Don't know what's your - but you are not the only one - issue is.

[Model Citizen]

Originally Posted by Levi

All I see in this thread is a bunch of frustrated guys that are too poor to afford anything with Cosworth badge on it.

Originally Posted by Levi

Oh you have you kit? So what is you issue? You don't have to buy Cosworth. And nobody thinks you kit is bad or worse than Cosworth. Not a single person thinks Cosworth > The World. Just you a showing inferiority complex by bashing the Cosworth kit, when nobody thinks your kit is inferior. Don't know what's your - but you are not the only one - issue is.

You get a pass since english isnt your first language.

Bur if you go back and read, you'll pick up that im more or less using the nameplate nutswingers to up my post count, and smile a little.

Its the elitist attitude thats drawing majority of the negative attention, not the product.

If the claims of uniqueness (lol oil and filter) and superiority actually have produced a superior product, fantastic. Thats good for everyone.

[qqfob]

Tomei is another highly respected race engine company, however they are limited to just that. Race car parts many times will cost less than a street car counterpart because racing teams will see certain things as disposable, made for a few races a season and junk. They will be designed less all around. Who cares if that race header is loud, or had no low end, or idled funny, or even leaked a little bit. Race cars parts are for race cars. So is HKS, and Kraftworx etc. And for a company like Vortex to have their customers do the r&d for them on the street, I'd hate to be that guy.

As stated above, not many aftermarket tuning companies also have street car experience. When manufacturers ask a company like Cosworth for help on their engines, it obviously matters. This list includes Audis, M benz, Lotus, and the legendary Ford Sierras amongst others.

I guess it was before most of yous time, but yes that Escort Cosworth is keeping up with a high power Supra.
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[Koa]

all of you trying to associate quality with cosworth like its a 100% given..

doth thou not remember the sti/evo cams? Their miata kits? Their "built" EJ series boxer engines skipping timing belt teeth and shredding valves?

bros, I'm all for paying for premium... but let's not associate quality with a shop that has been performing pretty shoddily in their consumer market offerings lately.

That being said I lol'd at the guy who tried to say buy a name-brand tuning part for greater resale value

[Model Citizen]

Originally Posted by Koa

all of you trying to associate quality with cosworth like its a 100% given..

doth thou not remember the sti/evo cams? Their miata kits? Their "built" EJ series boxer engines skipping timing belt teeth and shredding valves?

bros, I'm all for paying for premium... but let's not associate quality with a shop that has been performing pretty shoddily in their consumer market offerings lately.

That being said I lol'd at the guy who tried to say buy a name-brand tuning part for greater resale value

Im not even gay and i want to blow you.

[qqfob]

Originally Posted by Sleepless

And that was my main point. The resale value of a car with a Cosworth kit vs any of the other kits is going to be higher for more people; regardless of whether or not the kit is "better" than the other kits.

Totally agree. And I'm a factory technician. Too much clutter and etc. parts everywhere, hack jobs, and so much variables that can happen on installs, esp if the kits are not 100% complete. Have you seen how difficult it is to change the drive belt on those cars?

Cosworth has it down to the bends on coolant hoses...