BRZ vs Mustang - Here is the review the haters have been waiting for.

[switchlanez]

Originally Posted by Steve

Or maybe its the nostalgia causing it since this car is inspired by and has the size and power you'd expect from a car built in the 80's or 90's?

[blur]

Originally Posted by fatoni

...well on the other hand the mustang isnt passing the 86 because its in the rearview? but serisously we are again comparing a stock car to a modded car is stupid especially if the more expensive one is the one that gets modded. wheels and tires that size are expensive if you can even find them in that bolt pattern. that kind of money can make a v6 mustang fast too or better yet, get you into a gt where i dont think tires alone will get you into that league.

Sure, if you value HP over factory chassis balance, light weight, and steering feel, then even Porsches look like ripoffs compared to the GT.

And besides, tires and wheels are likely to be the most common mod on any car... with a Mustang you don't have much room to upgrade, while with the 86 simply putting a wheel in similar proportion to the 'stang will net you a huge performance benefit...

Wait for the TRD edition/performance package. That will be equivalent to the track package, and will put both cars on a more level playing field. Out of the box the 86 has a more utilitarian approach right now, so we won't see all the potential it has until we see factory performance parts.

[Subie]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

Holy crap that GTR is HUGE in comparison!

[Lighting Red]

Originally Posted by justaquestion

God, the more I read this forum, the more I see that 99% of its members are incredibly ignorant to anything automotive. From the looks of things, were going to see a new genre of crowd, that will be labeled as the Toybaru people.

The FR-S/BRZ will be a great car, but it won't even come close to being one of the fastest cars out there on a track or the road, and I have to underline 'will' because I am so tired of hearing people preach about this car as if they have been driving it for the last 3 years. Most of you probably couldn't even tell the difference between a "drivers" car and your moms station wagon as far as road and brake feel are concerned.

As far as a Mustang is concerned, and I am purely going off of factual track times. The GT completely shits on everything under 90k. And the V6 shits on everything in its price group too. Hell, the v6 shit on the STI on an equal opportunity track, while bouncing off the rev limiter for a few seconds. Anyone who thinks the new mustangs can't handle a turn are living in another world.

As far as a car being stock. I am sure a lot of you don't know this, because your too young to have ever bought a new car on your own. But when you get one, you get this thing called an invoice receipt, and it lists every option the car has from the factory. If you ordered a track package, then its on the invoice, therefor making it a factory car. If you buy a car, drive it off the lot, and decide 3 days later you want a specific performance part the manufacturer sells which is covered under warranty, well guess what? They don't add it to the invoice of the car, therefor its no longer stock.

I cant wait till these things start showing up on the roads and I get to hear about the sad looks on peoples faces when they exit a turn behind a car they thought they were playing with and its 15 car lengths ahead of them. There are cars that can go really fast, and there's cars that can handle really well. The sweet spot is in the middle and some of you aren't going to open your eyes to that until its cost you 26k.

Do you feel better now that you got that off your chest? If so, feel free to GTFO. As of this typing you have made 43 posts. If the other 42 are anything like the baseless and inane rhetoric you vomited on your keyboard above, then enjoy reading this response, because this is the one and only time I'll qualify anything from you.

I do have to say, I like your implications regarding the vast, vast majority (what was it... 99%) of potential BRZ owners. So according to you we are comprised of - and let me get this straight: Young, automotively ignorant piss-ants that can't tell the difference between mom's station wagon and a TRUE driver's car? What if mom happens to drive a CTS-V wagon? Oh, and we cannot tell what OEM is and is not. That was cool of you to explain it. We do have standards, which need to be maintained on this forum, and that explanation really reinforced it for me. Thanks.

Just like you, justaquestion, I like making left-field claims about people based on nothing but stupidity too! I happen to think people who use the online forum handle, "justaquestion," actively participate in bestiality scat porn, and 99% (there's that number again!) of them really prefer to be the catcher. Fun, huh?

By the way, speaking of shit and that CTS-V wagon I mentioned earlier... I hate to break it to you, but it costs less than $90,000. I wonder to what degree the Mustang 5.0 will shit all over a CTS-V? Are we talking a shart or two, or are we talking full-blown assocondas? You know, Ford's very own BOSS 302 and Shelby GT 500 are also less than $90,000. I should tell them their pricing strategy is as ****ed-up as your post because SOMEBODY needs to inform them that their 5.0 GT shits all over anything less than 90 large. It's true because you said it on the internet. You should also hit up mustangsdaily.com to let them know the stunning truth of the 5.0 'Stang, a.k.a. the $90 K(iller), as well. I am sure they will find the news as shocking as we do.

In conclusion; If you are, "...so tired of hearing people preach about this car as if they have been driving it for the last 3 years," then why don't you get off this BRZ/FR-S enthusiast's forum? It's a simple idea for a simple guy like you. Dumbshit.

Yours Truly,

"Toybaru" person

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by blur

Sure, if you value HP over factory chassis balance, light weight, and steering feel, then even Porsches look like ripoffs compared to the GT.

And besides, tires and wheels are likely to be the most common mod on any car... with a Mustang you don't have much room to upgrade, while with the 86 simply putting a wheel in similar proportion to the 'stang will net you a huge performance benefit...

Wait for the TRD edition/performance package. That will be equivalent to the track package, and will put both cars on a more level playing field. Out of the box the 86 has a more utilitarian approach right now, so we won't see all the potential it has until we see factory performance parts.

it doesnt matter what is a common mod. the fact that it comes with better rims and tires for cheaper isnt a downside. waiting for the more expensive trd package doesnt counter the fact that the cheaper mustang is faster. the whole package to package thing is a weak argument or people would be ser sentras over base elises. if it doesnt make sense there, it doesnt make sense here.

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by fatoni

it doesnt matter what is a common mod. the fact that it comes with better rims and tires for cheaper isnt a downside. waiting for the more expensive trd package doesnt counter the fact that the cheaper mustang is faster. the whole package to package thing is a weak argument or people would be ser sentras over base elises. if it doesnt make sense there, it doesnt make sense here.

not trying to flame you but 19 in tires are expensive, if you were going to track it, it would be more economical to put the mustang on 18 inch rims and buy the aftermarket stuff, after the 3rd tire change you would have recognized that 900 for a set of good 18 inch tires vs 1400 for 19 inch tires was a smart choice....


and i want to recognize that ford did do a good job with the mustang, im not saying the mustang is bad, its better than mostly everything in its class, but to me the frs/brz will fill that empty space better for me, and when i track it my pocket book will hurt less so i can go on a cruise, spend the money on tuning, buying better parts for my car

lets say you can get some pretty good tires for the mustang for 1000 and the brz for 500

after 20 tire changes i would have saved 10,000 dollars
i could spend 3k on a cruise 7k to spend on some racing seats, a roll cage, a brake kit, exhaust, headers, intake, coil overs, and a tune... that makes more sense to me, or a supercharger, tune, and coilovers...

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by carbonBLUE

not trying to flame you but 19 in tires are expensive, if you were going to track it, it would be more economical to put the mustang on 18 inch rims and buy the aftermarket stuff, after the 3rd tire change you would have recognized that 900 for a set of good 18 inch tires vs 1400 for 19 inch tires was a smart choice....

thats true but being fast costs money.im not saying the mustang is better but i dont think that the brz can compete on a dollar per dollar basis. unfortunately the only kind of currency dealers are taking right now are dollar or dollar equivalent. besides im not foolish enough to track a brand new car anyways so 300 for some miata tires is where ill be looking.

[blu_]

Originally Posted by fatoni

because usually the faster car wins thats how. its not like they were talking bad about the mustang. yeah that last statement he made was pretty fanboyish but your secretary comment was even more ignorant

nobody but that doesnt matter because you dont pay msrp for a mustang. people are talking about paying more for the brz. 28k will get you a gt so...when the brz comes with 3-4 thousand factory cash back, i will probably change my mind but until then the mustangs are

What are you talking about? There are plenty of car comparisons recommending a slower car. See any nsx comparison from back in the 90s. And they also pretty much said the Brz was the better drivers car in a half dozen ways. That doesn't mean they are "bashing on the mustang".

As for your comment on the ridiculous incentives US automakers use to sell cars, I think this just your latest passive aggressive attempt to hate this car. You were saying similar things about the miata until it started getting trounced in comparisons to the 86.

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by fatoni

thats true but being fast costs money.im not saying the mustang is better but i dont think that the brz can compete on a dollar per dollar basis. unfortunately the only kind of currency dealers are taking right now are dollar or dollar equivalent. besides im not foolish enough to track a brand new car anyways so 300 for some miata tires is where ill be looking.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....omCompare1=yes

pretty good tires for 400 all four tires

better tires
$436
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....WSXL&tab=Sizes

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by blu_

What are you talking about? There are plenty of car comparisons recommending a slower car. See any nsx comparison from back in the 90s. And they also pretty much said the Brz was the better drivers car in a half dozen ways. That doesn't mean they are "bashing on the mustang".

As for your comment on the ridiculous incentives US automakers use to sell cars, I think this just your latest passive aggressive attempt to hate this car. You were saying similar things about the miata until it started getting trounced in comparisons to the 86.

okay name another review where they recommend the slower car. you make it sound like its my actions that caused the incentives. if that were the case they would be on this car. its not a passive aggressive attempt at anything. its about getting more for my money. i havent changed my mind about the miata either. there are two schools of thought if you want the faster car, the mustang will get you there for less. if you want the smaller lighter car, the miata will get you there for less.

i dont know about trouncing a miata. especially when its always a prht. i like the frs but i dont think its going to be beating the miata on a competitive autox or a mustang on a road course stock for stock or mod for mod.

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by fatoni

thats true but being fast costs money.im not saying the mustang is better but i dont think that the brz can compete on a dollar per dollar basis. unfortunately the only kind of currency dealers are taking right now are dollar or dollar equivalent. besides im not foolish enough to track a brand new car anyways so 300 for some miata tires is where ill be looking.

Yikes, tires are something I don't compramise on. The ones I want will cost twice as much ($600 for the Michelin Pilot Super Sport). But fortunately, all the tires are the same size and are relatively small so they don't cost as much as a lot of new car's tires would.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by carbonBLUE

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....omCompare1=yes

pretty good tires for 400 all four tires

better tires
$436
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....WSXL&tab=Sizes

thats a good reason to drive an na instead of an nc

[SuqMadiq]

While it sounds like a lot of you think this is a clear victory for the BR-Z, I honestly believe it to be the opposite case. Here's why...

Despite the Mustang's disadvantages, higher CG, extra 700lbs or so, and most likely a softer suspension, it still manages to edge out the BR-Z on a road course. The thing is, the Mustang surely has a lot more potential to improve in the handling department where as the BR-Z is much closer to its ideal handling point. The BR-Z will still, most likely, always handle better, but it will also be limited by it's power potential.

Essentially, the I think the Mustang has a lot more potential in both improving handling and power, where as the BR-Z is going to be more limited in improving its potential in those areas.

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by SuqMadiq

While it sounds like a lot of you think this is a clear victory for the BR-Z, I honestly believe it to be the opposite case. Here's why...

Despite the Mustang's disadvantages, higher CG, extra 700lbs or so, and most likely a softer suspension, it still manages to edge out the BR-Z on a road course. The thing is, the Mustang surely has a lot more potential to improve in the handling department where as the BR-Z is much closer to its ideal handling point. The BR-Z will still, most likely, always handle better, but it will also be limited by it's power potential.

Essentially, the I think the Mustang has a lot more potential in both improving handling and power, where as the BR-Z is going to be more limited in improving its potential in those areas.