BRZ/FR-S vs 2015 Mustang

[chaoskaze]

Apple to orange, love the 2015 so much, I would buy one in a heartbeat if I/we dont live in America. Lol

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

So.. You are saying that stickier tires on a stock Twin is pointless and not faster. Because m3s, z's, and 2nd gen s2000s can "almost hang on turns"?

The only comparison I made was: a twin with stickier tires is MUCH faster than a twin without sticky tires.

And its laughable when people compare track times between a base twin and whatever vehicle with some sort of track package. (track pack mustang, HFP civic) whatever.

Here, videos speak louder than words. At this point, so many Twins have been tested on stickier tires that the improvement is pretty well established.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_IWa_qlt3g"]2013 Scion FR-S - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQwWdZ00HYQ#t=532"]Modifying the 2013 Subaru BRZ! The First Change a Driver Should Make - Wide Open Throttle Episode 39 - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8-5GGNdiSc"]Modified Magazine testing the Scion FR-S at TMP - YouTube[/ame]

And these:

http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/t...rack-test.html

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/n...ance/index.htm

There's a bunch more out there, like the nearly half-minute improvement on the Nurburgring. Seems like every publication wanted to try it out for themselves.

[Jaylyons1]

Originally Posted by Grip Ronin

I track this car quite a bit with all the na power and grip i can get, hell i cant even power slide anymore because of the traction. Its slow as hell on straights lol m3s, z's, ap2 s2ks can almost hang on turns but i cant make up enough distance away from them that they wont catch me on straights. This car really needed to be a larger displacement. 2.5 fa20 woulda pulled a premium 1 week before release.

Maybe it's your car, or maybe you're running slicks? I run Direzza ZII's and I have absolutely no issue getting the back end out. I actually need more grip in the back. I'm likely going to be putting on a front sway bar soon to try and help keep it from oversteering.

That being said, I wouldn't mind having that extra half liter of displacement for day to day driving. As for the track though, I wouldn't want any more high end power but rather a smoother torque range.

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by BobDigi5060

I've yet to see a review where weight is as much of an issue as it's made out to be here which is a little annoying, but after all this is ft86!

Lol, the very first reviews of the new Mustang I read complained about the extra weight. The comments about the new suspension seemed rather lukewarm compared to what they seemed to have been expecting to be honest.

Really not a glowing review for a $46k Mustang w/ the "performance" pack that's still slower than a older fat Camaro.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTJPDurLEKw"]2015 Ford Mustang GT vs. 2015 Chevrolet Camaro SS - Head 2 Head Ep. 58 - YouTube[/ame]

Glad I didn't wait for it. Yeah, it's an improvement pretty much across the board but somehow quite a disappointment. That's a special feat to pull off by Ford.

[tennisfreak]

LOL complete fail if it cannot beat a freaking Camaro, its direct competitor.

[Grip Ronin]

Originally Posted by Jaylyons1

Maybe it's your car, or maybe you're running slicks? I run Direzza ZII's and I have absolutely no issue getting the back end out. I actually need more grip in the back. I'm likely going to be putting on a front sway bar soon to try and help keep it from oversteering.

That being said, I wouldn't mind having that extra half liter of displacement for day to day driving. As for the track though, I wouldn't want any more high end power but rather a smoother torque range.

no slicks lol 245 sport comp 2. i cant drift by forcing it out, clutch kick or feint etc. But slamming the gas in 2nd or 3rd out of a turn will not step out like it did on sticky 215s, hm maybe the suspention setup. itd have been nice if the motor got larger gains from bolt ons, some how get the car into mid 13s n/a id be happy

[Jaylyons1]

Originally Posted by Grip Ronin

no slicks lol 245 sport comp 2. i cant drift by forcing it out, clutch kick or feint etc. But slamming the gas in 2nd or 3rd out of a turn will not step out like it did on sticky 215s, hm maybe the suspention setup. itd have been nice if the motor got larger gains from bolt ons, some how get the car into mid 13s n/a id be happy

Yea, I just get a chirp going from 2nd > 3rd. I definitely don't see it stepping out in 3rd. It can be a pain sometimes to keep it from getting tail happy at autocross events though which is always in 2nd for the most part. It's fun and looks good, but terrible for times. Plus the camera's are only there when you spin.

[vividracing]

[dsrttigr]

2015 Ford Mustang Ecoboost - (Track) One Take: [ame]http://youtu.be/JyhTWHzgpko[/ame]

[tennisfreak]

Similar to the track test this one pretty much dings the weight killing the power/weight ratio for the 4 banger.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niNQxUvKNmk"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niNQxUvKNmk[/ame]

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by abraxis

..
Really not a glowing review for a $46k Mustang w/ the "performance" pack that's still slower than a older fat Camaro....

In the ^frame^ above I was thinking the Camaro looked downright slim compared to the Mustang. Probably just the angle...

[Mikko]

I like how the new 2015 Mustang looks but it would probably cost 2 x BRZ's price in Finland. All Mustangs are ridiculously overpriced here.

I just checked what kinda Mustang I could get with BRZ's price (35k€) and car with lowest mileage was 2008 Mustang 4.0 V6 that has been imported from US. It has 45000 miles on the clock and price tag is 34900€.

[dsrttigr]

Here they are about the same price. Mustang ecoboost with track package is faster than a frs on that track at least.

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by dsrttigr

Here they are about the same price. Mustang ecoboost with track package is faster than a frs on that track at least.

Yeah, at a price as tested of $38K and still slower than a normal WRX.

I think I could put close to $15K of that difference towards performance tires, brakes, suspension and power and do quite well.