about the price on used 13 frs.

[jblmr2]

I just took a look at KBB.com to check on the value, it's what most dealers in our area use to value used cars. Looks like 19K depending on mileage is a fair purchase price. That being said I'd offer 17K and negoiate to 19k. If you offer 19K up front they are going to counter with 20/21K and you'll end up spending to much or walking away disappointed. Good luck!

[qusfbf92]

What do you think about buying a cpo frs with 38000miles on at around 16k? The car is originally priced at 19k. Trying to save as much I can because it will be my secondary car.

[cys19]

Originally Posted by Obja

23k seems a bit high imo

im sure 20k can get you a solid one around those miles from a dealer

i bought my first one new in 2013 and my second one for around 17k with 30000miles

just keep looking

How'd you bargain it down to 17k? KBB value is around 19k for 30000 miles isn't it?

Also, what are some car sales listings other than local newspaper, autotrader, yahoo, forums, and craigslist? How'd you find your second one?

Thanks.

[p_mike_v]

I purchased mine about two months ago with 12k miles for 20.5. 23 too high imo!
EDIT: It's a '13 also

[dreamingat30fps]

Dealer where I bought mine had a 2013 20k miles listed for 19k. I'm pretty certain it could of been had for 19-20k OTD.

$23k sounds high to me.

[Tcoat]

You think you guys have it bad!


Most are around $23K but go up to THIS:


From Auto Trader


2013 Scion FR-S Base, $29,399 - MARKHAM

Make Scion

Model FR-S


Kilometres 10,941 km


Body Type Coupe


Style/Trim Base


Engine H-4 cyl

Stock Number 231813

[gophishy10x]

It all depends on the miles the car has. I'm a salesman at a Toyota dealership and I bought my 2013 with 9,000 miles for $19,500. After certification, the dealership lost about $500 to do that deal for me. What you guys need to understand is that every used car is unique. Mileage, scratches, condition, color, etc. Most dealerships won't lost money to sell a car unless that car has been there for 90+ days. And even at that point, they will try to at least break even. If you walk into a dealership and offer them $17,000 for a car listed at $23,000 they are going to laugh at you. The general markup on a used car is anywhere from $2,000 to $4,000. So your starting point should be low, yet still reasonable. But don't be surprised if they come back at you with a number that's $800 below the asking price. Remember, dealerships are a business and have to make money to stay open. And salesmen need to make money too.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by gophishy10x

It all depends on the miles the car has. I'm a salesman at a Toyota dealership and I bought my 2013 with 9,000 miles for $19,500. After certification, the dealership lost about $500 to do that deal for me. What you guys need to understand is that every used car is unique. Mileage, scratches, condition, color, etc. Most dealerships won't lost money to sell a car unless that car has been there for 90+ days. And even at that point, they will try to at least break even. If you walk into a dealership and offer them $17,000 for a car listed at $23,000 they are going to laugh at you. The general markup on a used car is anywhere from $2,000 to $4,000. So your starting point should be low, yet still reasonable. But don't be surprised if they come back at you with a number that's $800 below the asking price. Remember, dealerships are a business and have to make money to stay open. And salesmen need to make money too.

Many, MANY people tend to forget that!
It is great to want a deal but if you think the dealer is "ripping you off" and won't budge on a price that is because they still want to eat. Just keep shopping until you can find a deal you can live with.


Another factor in the price of used cars can be location and availability. The laws of supply and demand apply to used cars just like any other item.

[wbradley]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Many, MANY people tend to forget that!
It is great to want a deal but if you think the dealer is "ripping you off" and won't budge on a price that is because they still want to eat. Just keep shopping until you can find a deal you can live with.


Another factor in the price of used cars can be location and availability. The laws of supply and demand apply to used cars just like any other item.

My feeling is that most people think the sales process shouldn't yield any profit from their purchase. The term "stealership" seems widely used on these forums. Basically many people that don't work in sales consider salespeople to be useless hunks of flesh, and in some cases that might be true. In most businesses salespeople make a little money after their employers have made a lot of money. Thats business, don't always blame salespeople. Some are actually very good at making the buying process a positive experience.

[gophishy10x]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Many, MANY people tend to forget that!
It is great to want a deal but if you think the dealer is "ripping you off" and won't budge on a price that is because they still want to eat. Just keep shopping until you can find a deal you can live with.


Another factor in the price of used cars can be location and availability. The laws of supply and demand apply to used cars just like any other item.

Originally Posted by wbradley

My feeling is that most people think the sales process shouldn't yield any profit from their purchase. The term "stealership" seems widely used on these forums. Basically many people that don't work in sales consider salespeople to be useless hunks of flesh, and in some cases that might be true. In most businesses salespeople make a little money after their employers have made a lot of money. Thats business, don't always blame salespeople. Some are actually very good at making the buying process a positive experience.

Well said. I wish all my customers had this attitude. Everyone thinks that us salesmen make a killing. We don't. A lot of the times, we get payed $100 a car. And most of us don't get a salary. So if we don't sell anything all week, we literally make $0. So keep this in mind when you are out buying a car and realize that we are just trying to make a living too.

[Obja]

Originally Posted by cys19

How'd you bargain it down to 17k? KBB value is around 19k for 30000 miles isn't it?

Also, what are some car sales listings other than local newspaper, autotrader, yahoo, forums, and craigslist? How'd you find your second one?

Thanks.

i knew the guy personally

[Shark_Bait88]

Originally Posted by gophishy10x

Well said. I wish all my customers had this attitude. Everyone thinks that us salesmen make a killing. We don't. A lot of the times, we get payed $100 a car. And most of us don't get a salary. So if we don't sell anything all week, we literally make $0. So keep this in mind when you are out buying a car and realize that we are just trying to make a living too.

I know I probably could have gotten my car for less if I'd been a hardass with the haggling, but at the end of the day it really was a fair price for the car I bought so I'm not even mad. The dealership made some money, which was there goal, I got one of my dream cars in excellent shape at a price I can afford and got to leave the dealership like this

Everybody wins!

[qusfbf92]

Okay the car was $21.5 and they offered me only $400 off from the sticker price. I didn't tell them my goal price yet, should I go ahead and tell them my price?

[Texas BRZ]

Originally Posted by qusfbf92

Okay the car was $21.5 and they offered me only $400 off from the sticker price. I didn't tell them my goal price yet, should I go ahead and tell them my price?

For sure, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain... Just make sure you don't give too high of an offer, that way you don't kick yourself afterwards if they agree instantly, lol.

Just follow the advice everyone has given you... And if the dealer doesn't accept, don't have a meltdown. Keep the search on, and they may reach out to you if they feel the itch later on. If not, you can always bump your offer gradually IF you feel comfortable and also happy with the car.

Good luck.