2016 or 2015 FR-S?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by wbradley

stevesnj- I'm not sure why you think the 1st gen suspension is unpredictable. Hardly so, it is the most controllable, driftable car around. You make it sound like it suffers from snap oversteer like an MR2. And trust me I'm not worried about resale, I'll go thru 5 daily drivers while the FR-S remains in my stable.

Already tried to convince him on that subject but apparently someplace on here the "consensus" is that they are almost uncontrollable going around turns! In 8000 miles of driving I have not once had the rear end go out on it's own (with the nannies on that is).

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by stevesnj

So enough of this silliness, here's my OP and in time if anyone sees OFFICIAL spec no GUESSES that would be helpful. I can guess but I prefer facts. Thanks all, even you boneheads, you know who you are..lo jk

Believe me, when any new information comes out about future models, you will know. The whole board will be flooded with news and rumors. You don't need to reserve a thread just for that purpose.

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Believe me, when any new information comes out about future models, you will know. The whole board will be flooded with news and rumors. You don't need to reserve a thread just for that purpose.

I am looking for facts not rumours.

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Already tried to convince him on that subject but apparently someplace on here the "consensus" is that they are almost uncontrollable going around turns! In 8000 miles of driving I have not once had the rear end go out on it's own (with the nannies on that is).

Okay thanks for the input, hope to see news on here in a few months.

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Already tried to convince him on that subject but apparently someplace on here the "consensus" is that they are almost uncontrollable going around turns! In 8000 miles of driving I have not once had the rear end go out on it's own (with the nannies on that is).

Never said they were uncontrollable. I know you like to just fire me up but this is fun since I am bored but some just are very pretentious. Please reread all my posts... thanks

[Ghost of Akina]

Bottom line buy the car down you can pick up a good deal for a previous year. Lightly mod ( or heavily mod it, whatever moves you towards your goal) and have fun with it. Its a car equipment and updates happen all the time with all vehicles. Why wait for something that you can swap out yourself and feel like you accomplished something and contributed to the current state of your ride.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by stevesnj

I am looking for facts not rumours.

You've been here long enough to know that any real information realeased swarms the board in under a day.

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

You've been here long enough to know that any real information realeased swarms the board in under a day.

Cool looking forward to it

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by Ghost of Akina

Bottom line buy the car down you can pick up a good deal for a previous year. Lightly mod ( or heavily mod it, whatever moves you towards your goal) and have fun with it. Its a car equipment and updates happen all the time with all vehicles. Why wait for something that you can swap out yourself and feel like you accomplished something and contributed to the current state of your ride.

Tsada encourages mods, never heard any car executive say that. But mods will be modest for me, TRD short shifter, Perrin or TRD exhaust, 5 axis wing, underbody panels some interior mods, Should be all i'll need.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by stevesnj

Never said they were uncontrollable. I know you like to just fire me up but this is fun since I am bored but some just are very pretentious. Please reread all my posts... thanks

Not debating because I enjoy winding anybody up just trying to counter the point you keep making that the car is A) too loose in the back end B) the majority of people agree with you and C) it was designed that way by accident.
I did read ALL your posts and if I misunderstood my apologies but it seems very clear that those are your statements

Not gonna quote them all but take a look at posts: 27, 32, 45, 49, 64

I guess our only option is to agree to disagree and move on!

OH and the VERY next post uses one of those quotes where you say exactly what you now claim to not have said!!!!!!!!!

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by stevesnj

His vision is a fun car on and off the track, not a car that is unpredictable. Yes it all in the drivers responsible use of the skinny pedal but I'd rather go around a corner more confident than wondering if the tail will whip out unexpectedly. It doesn't happen all the time but enough to warrant a change that Tsada himself implemented.

That's strange. I've pushed this car hard at the track many times and have never had the tail whip out unexpectedly in normal conditions. The handling is actually really predictable.

I might even want a touch more mid-corner rotation under trail-braking.

I will caveat though that I'm on summer tires. Haven't tried tracking this car with the stock Turanzas.

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

That's strange. I've pushed this car hard at the track many times and have never had the tail whip out unexpectedly in normal conditions. The handling is actually really predictable.

I might even want a touch more mid-corner rotation under trail-braking.

I will caveat though that I'm on summer tires. Haven't tried tracking this car with the stock Turanzas.

cool, to each their own

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Not debating because I enjoy winding anybody up just trying to counter the point you keep making that the car is A) too loose in the back end B) the majority of people agree with you and C) it was designed that way by accident.
I did read ALL your posts and if I misunderstood my apologies but it seems very clear that those are your statements

Not gonna quote them all but take a look at posts: 27, 32, 45, 49, 64

I guess our only option is to agree to disagree and move on!

OH and the VERY next post uses one of those quotes where you say exactly what you now claim to not have said!!!!!!!!!

Please quote me the conflict so I can explain it. I just want to see what was contradictory and i will admit any discrepancy. Thanks

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by stevesnj

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I do? I said less oversteer is better. It's not eliminated it's just not as frequent, to each their own. I prefer to not have oversteer, I prefer a tight handling car over one that may oversteer more so than the pre '15 MY.



Of course, you are correct. I want to decide the oversteer not the car.



I'm so glad you all know what I am thinking and I don't AGAIN this is not a flaw it is a retune to avoid too many instances of oversteer. You want to slide around every corner so be it. I don't. I would rather have an enhanced tuned suspension rather than unpredictable.



His vision is a fun car on and off the track, not a car that is unpredictable. Yes it all in the drivers responsible use of the skinny pedal but I'd rather go around a corner more confident than wondering if the tail will whip out unexpectedly. It doesn't happen all the time but enough to warrant a change that Tsada himself implemented. People make mistakes and he corrected something he wasn't 100% happy with. That's what I've been repeatedly saying but noone can comprehend this.

Let Tsada speak for himself here;

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