4th gen ND Mazda MX-5 Miata - Page 31 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Deslock · 09-10-2014, 08:27 AM

Good:

Weight loss
Improved engine (output, efficiency)
Looks amazing (the prettiest Miata yet)
No more silly fake dual exhaust

Bad:

Swept back windshield (less open feel)
Doors tall like NC (less open feel than NA/NB)

Speculation:

~2350 pounds for US-spec 2L 6MT (if the 100 kg reduction is from comparing 1.8L NC and 1.5L ND variants... for reference, US-spec 6MT NC starts at 2511)
Expectation/rumor is 170-180 HP for the 2L (photos show ~7200-7500 RPM redline, though it's unknown if that's the 1.5L or 2L)

I love my BRZ, and the Miata is even better in most ways. I'll get an ND in 6 years (when I no longer need 3+ seats).

YukiHachiRoku · 09-13-2014, 07:41 AM

If I'm too broke to get the new S2K, I will get this for sure, or another 86... ?

TJ3000 · 09-14-2014, 04:12 AM

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It looks more sporty this time!

fatoni · 09-17-2014, 12:06 AM

http://wot.motortrend.com/1409_2016_..._revealed.html

jflogerzi · 09-20-2014, 04:49 PM

I really am digging the new design. Really wish they would use the little 1.5L turbo from the fiat 500 car but this car is not about power. But out in sun crusing and haven a good time

BobDigi5060 · 09-20-2014, 05:02 PM

Can't wait! Exciting times!

imom · 09-28-2014, 09:35 AM

Would an LS motor fit

Sad that they can't produce an engine that is 200+ HP for the light weight...would sell more than the sky active philosophy of less is more... yes less is more in the right places... more is more in the right places too. I suspect because they made it so light...they had to use lightweight drive train and not beefy enough to handle the abuse and power.

strat61caster · 09-28-2014, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imom

Would an LS motor fit

Probably, part of Skyactiv is a large tuned exhaust so there's probably a fair amount of space between the wheels.

funwheeldrive · 09-29-2014, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imom

Sad that they can't produce an engine that is 200+ HP for the light weight...would sell more than the sky active philosophy of less is more... yes less is more in the right places... more is more in the right places too. I suspect because they made it so light...they had to use lightweight drive train and not beefy enough to handle the abuse and power.

The brz/frs doesn't even make +200hp and it weighs 500lbs more.

imom · 09-29-2014, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

The brz/frs doesn't even make +200hp and it weighs 500lbs more.

???? bad humor? Stock is 200 hp... or I don't get your joke

funwheeldrive · 09-29-2014, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imom

???? bad humor? Stock is 200 hp... or I don't get your joke

When I see +200, I think over two hundred. The frs is hugging that 200 line pretty close.

Poodles · 09-29-2014, 03:28 PM

I don't really see the point...

BRZ: 2762/200 = 13.81
Miata: 2250/130 = 17.30

Power to weight is still shit if the numbers are true for the amount of power the Miata will have and I'm betting the weight is a low estimate...

Miniata · 09-29-2014, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poodles

I don't really see the point...

BRZ: 2762/200 = 13.81
Miata: 2250/130 = 17.30

Power to weight is still shit if the numbers are true for the amount of power the Miata will have and I'm betting the weight is a low estimate...

the 130 hp engine will be overseas market only, not for sale in US. Mazda has done this for many years on the Miata engine. Two options, but the lower hp one not in the US. Change your 130 number to 180hp and suddenly things look a lot better for the new Miata.

abraxis · 09-29-2014, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miniata

Change your 130 number to 180hp.

Lol, dream on. If it ever comes with 180hp it'll be another 3-4 years at least. More like 150-160 to start or after a year.

I'll reserve judgement until third parties produce actual curb weights and not magical factory dry weights like Alfa and Corvette.

09-10-2014, 08:27 AM	#421
Deslock Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: 2013 DZE/01 (sold for MX5 ND1) Location: western MA Posts: 871 Thanks: 265 Thanked 269 Times in 133 Posts Mentioned: 14 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Good: Weight loss Improved engine (output, efficiency) Looks amazing (the prettiest Miata yet) No more silly fake dual exhaust Bad: Swept back windshield (less open feel) Doors tall like NC (less open feel than NA/NB) Speculation: ~2350 pounds for US-spec 2L 6MT (if the 100 kg reduction is from comparing 1.8L NC and 1.5L ND variants... for reference, US-spec 6MT NC starts at 2511) Expectation/rumor is 170-180 HP for the 2L (photos show ~7200-7500 RPM redline, though it's unknown if that's the 1.5L or 2L) I love my BRZ, and the Miata is even better in most ways. I'll get an ND in 6 years (when I no longer need 3+ seats). __________________ Life's too short for understeer Last edited by Deslock; 09-10-2014 at 05:00 PM.

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