Cayman like performance?

[DougW]

"The other thing was I stepped out of the Toyota straight into their Cayman S (PASM equipped)"


The PASM is active Damptronic shocks, hard to compare to a standard valve stack for ride and control.
DougW

[Yui-Chan]

Analog dampers or go home

[DougW]

Originally Posted by Yui-Chan

Analog dampers or go home

So convert your engine back to a carb and use snail mail, I guess NASA should go back to a rock and rubber band.
DougW

[Yui-Chan]

I said dampers, not engine lol.

A lot of Porsche customers that plan to track their new car actually get the analog damper option. PASM is for luxury, ride, street comfort. I think it's the same case with other sportcars that offer some sort of PASM...the track heads will almost always downgrade (or upgrade in their eyes) to the analog shocks.

[DougW]

Originally Posted by Yui-Chan

I said dampers, not engine lol.

A lot of Porsche customers that plan to track their new car actually get the analog damper option. PASM is for luxury, ride, street comfort. I think it's the same case with other sportcars that offer some sort of PASM...the track heads will almost always downgrade (or upgrade in their eyes) to the analog shocks.

There are just misinformed just like my example of efi/carb, "analog shocks" are adjustable just by manually turning a knob/knobs, electronic shock adjust based on many parameters real time but both do the same thing. I developed replacement controllers for PASM systems that have those same track cars putting them back on. Most pro classes make it illegal because it can be an advantage to adjust a shock in 5msec. The point of this thread was a better ride the only way to have both is an active system or an analog shock with Moe riding under the hood.
Go with the force
DougW

[Calum]

Originally Posted by DougW

There are just misinformed just like my example of efi/carb, "analog shocks" are adjustable just by manually turning a knob/knobs, electronic shock adjust based on many parameters real time but both do the same thing. I developed replacement controllers for PASM systems that have those same track cars putting them back on. Most pro classes make it illegal because it can be an advantage to adjust a shock in 5msec. The point of this thread was a better ride the only way to have both is an active system or an analog shock with Moe riding under the hood.
Go with the force
DougW

So stop with the excuses and finish developing it. Kidding! I hope you're feeling better, man.

[DougW]

Originally Posted by Calum

So stop with the excuses and finish developing it. Kidding! I hope you're feeling better, man.

Getting better, I have one more big deal to go through before the end of the year. I may have some cool news later this year talks have just begun so I don't want to screw it up. It's still the coolest mod I've made so far.
DougW

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by Yui-Chan

I said dampers, not engine lol.

A lot of Porsche customers that plan to track their new car actually get the analog damper option. PASM is for luxury, ride, street comfort. I think it's the same case with other sportcars that offer some sort of PASM...the track heads will almost always downgrade (or upgrade in their eyes) to the analog shocks.

Not sure about the PASM system, but systems like that can be WAY better handling than "analog" shocks. The Porsche system might be tuned for comfort, but if set up right it'll blow a traditional system out of the water.

[Yui-Chan]

Originally Posted by DougW

There are just misinformed just like my example of efi/carb, "analog shocks" are adjustable just by manually turning a knob/knobs, electronic shock adjust based on many parameters real time but both do the same thing. I developed replacement controllers for PASM systems that have those same track cars putting them back on. Most pro classes make it illegal because it can be an advantage to adjust a shock in 5msec. The point of this thread was a better ride the only way to have both is an active system or an analog shock with Moe riding under the hood.
Go with the force
DougW

Word up. I was just talking bs and repeating what I've read people usually do in the Porsche forums hehe. I dont know anything..I'm just a hobby ricer and not a an engineer or parts developer

But, makes sense and sounds awesome. I'm sure there's many real race and track cars that have some kind of digital or PASM dampers. GT Lemans cars are so friggin crazy with all their technology..I wouldn't be surprised if everything on it had some sort of digital control, logging or assistance. Those things look like space rocket ships in the cockpit!

[Sleepless]

Originally Posted by Yui-Chan

I said dampers, not engine lol.

A lot of Porsche customers that plan to track their new car actually get the analog damper option. PASM is for luxury, ride, street comfort. I think it's the same case with other sportcars that offer some sort of PASM...the track heads will almost always downgrade (or upgrade in their eyes) to the analog shocks.

His point was that analog dampers are old tech and active dampers are top tech, and, he is right; pure analog can't outperform a good active damper.

Porsche GT3 is available only with PASM. Their most track focused cars are not very analog...

[Yui-Chan]

Originally Posted by wparsons

Not sure about the PASM system, but systems like that can be WAY better handling than "analog" shocks. The Porsche system might be tuned for comfort, but if set up right it'll blow a traditional system out of the water.

Yes, probably..idk either tho lol.

I just read the majority of Porsche track people prefer the analog option car instead of the PASM..and then they swap the oem stock dampers for Sachs, Bilstein or Moton coilovers.

Again, I have no idea what I'm talking about and know nothing of Porsches...it's just what I've read frequently in rennlist, etc. Go take it up with them lol. I'm sure active is awesome too.

[DougW]

Originally Posted by Sleepless

His point was that analog dampers are old tech and active dampers are top tech, and, he is right; pure analog can't outperform a good active damper.

Porsche GT3 is available only with PASM. Their most track focused cars are not very analog...

My partner just got his 2014 GT3 to play with I have just started on the controller they even test the pucker factor of your butt to adjust the chassis these things are wicked fast. Not picking on you just bored and having fun too, I got to do something to keep from going crazy in my old age.
DougW

[Sleepless]

Originally Posted by Yui-Chan

I just read the majority of Porsche track people prefer the analog option car instead of the PASM..and then they swap the oem stock dampers for Sachs, Bilstein or Moton coilovers.

A major reason we ("Porsche track people") prefer the analog dampers is that until recently the PASM systems sucked. I converted my 2006 Cayman S from PASM to analog. The tech has moved forward considerably since 2006.

[DougW]

Not the shocks just the controller, the early ones pre 2008 didn't do anything but set the shock to soft and hard. We have retrofit controllers plug and play that use brake pres, G lat G lng tps streering and a few others to actively remap it in about 30msec this is what I added to my FR-S as a test car. Rides like a Camry handles like a Porsche just needs mo power.
DougW