Delicious Tuning - Q&A EcuTeK ProECU Tuning and Maps

[protpibe]

Originally Posted by sales@delicioustuning.com

As for everyone else in reference to update inquiries, Bill has been slammed the last couple days and will try to make it on the forum tonight to address your concerns.

Sincerely,

Zach
Delicious Tuning

Tell him to not bother with the forum and just respond to emails lol

maybe mine in particular

(partially kidding, but I am waiting for a response)

[DeliciousTuning]

Hi Everyone,

I really apologize for not being on here as much as I should be and I have been wayyyyy behind on emails but I do read through them to see a common theme with certain issues. So the emails even though I may not respond I do read through, so thank you for your persistence and patience.

As for the idle when placing the car in neutral, and clutch to the floor, causes the RPM's to rise. Basically I have been playing around with keeping the idle a steady under certain conditions, where the lights are on, A/C on and it is really hot out. Basically when there is a lot of load on the engine, so keep things from wanting to come to a complete stop. This is something I have worked on quite a bit with the Flash and Go map, but seems that some of the kits have issues (namely AVO). The difference in the kits is hard to pin point exactly why this happens. It is something on the todo list but can not get to at the moment to be honest. Is this a large concern for people or more of an annoyance? Let me know and we can see if we need to bump it up a bit.

We will also be starting a new thread in the Forced Induction area about our Flash and Go maps very soon, as e would like to keep that thread to itself, being it is a drastically different tune from the NA and Innovate tunes and I do not want to confuse the idle control of the two. So the next post will be about the NA tune idle.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by post_break

I have this same problem. The car just refuses to rev when clutched in. You can even hear it in the exhaust like the car is stuttering and hardly reacting to the throttle input. Maybe it's why I'm getting popping? From my forcing the issue with my foot to rev match? Before I could stab the throttle, now I basically have to plant my foot and wait.

I've been waiting quite a while for a response from Bill (July 25th). I need my EVAP turned back on so my tune will pass inspection and would like some feedback on why throttle response is so poor, even with a super aggressive throttle map. I've got a map that is like an on off switch and it still feels like the car just doesn't react to what I'm telling it.

I'll get some logs and post them this weekend of what I'm talking about.

You may need to re-explain a bit for my slow brain this morning. It sounds as if there are two issues with the NA tune.

1. The idle is high when you first start the vehicle, say 2500 RPM and then comes down.
2. Throttle response is slow when stabbing the throttle. What version of the tune are you on?

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

[post_break]

Originally Posted by DeliciousTuning

You may need to re-explain a bit for my slow brain this morning. It sounds as if there are two issues with the NA tune.

1. The idle is high when you first start the vehicle, say 2500 RPM and then comes down.
2. Throttle response is slow when stabbing the throttle. What version of the tune are you on?

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

Ok the revving issue is when RPMs are below 2,500 rpm, say I'm coming off the highway at 70mph and need to turn down a right angle street. Blip blip blip, all the way down to 3rd gear, clutch in and go to blip to nail 2nd gear and the engine just doesn't want to if I let it get below 2,500. I can hear through the exhaust, it's like a kid trying to imitate a boxer motor with his lips. So I have to force the revs to climb with my foot, instead of a stabbing motion, it's like a rolling motion, heal to toe.

ZA1JA01C-enc_Tuning_VE_91oct_V12.48D.BIN Is the file I'm running. It says 91oct but you said it's 93.

This tune has 4 maps, with increasing throttle aggressiveness. Map 1 is the only map I can use. Map 2 sets the idle rpm to 1,200 and refuses to go any lower. Map 3 shoots the rpms up as if I passed out with my foot on the gas. I basically hit accept on map 3 and the engine starts revving and I have to quickly switch to map 1. Map 4, well I haven't tried it because I'm afraid it's just gonna floor it.

Something funky with the throttle logic is going on. AFR's are perfect according to my wideband. I don't know which is more accurate, the stock sensor or my AEM gauge but it sits around 14.7 while cruising and drops into the low 12's when floored.

The popping seemed to be related to the odd throttle response, it would pop when I let the rpms get too low and I'd try to rev match under 3,500 rpm, think slow traffic.

Also I'm not NA I have the kraftwerks kit.

[Calum]

Originally Posted by DeliciousTuning

You may need to re-explain a bit for my slow brain this morning. It sounds as if there are two issues with the NA tune.

1. The idle is high when you first start the vehicle, say 2500 RPM and then comes down.
2. Throttle response is slow when stabbing the throttle. What version of the tune are you on?

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

I'm on 5.33 NA tune. My issues are similar to @post_break's. Cold start idle is annoyingly, and neighbour anger inducingly, high. ~2500 rpm, but it's only there for about a minute before it the rpms drop to a more reasonable cold start level.

The other issue is that the engine seems very reluctant to increase rpms when I blip the throttle with the clutch in. I probably wasn't sufficiently clear about when I originally asked for a more aggressive throttle. My map one throttle response, with the engine under load, is perfect. It's only the unloaded response that I'm worried about.

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by post_break

Ok the revving issue is when RPMs are below 2,500 rpm, say I'm coming off the highway at 70mph and need to turn down a right angle street. Blip blip blip, all the way down to 3rd gear, clutch in and go to blip to nail 2nd gear and the engine just doesn't want to if I let it get below 2,500. I can hear through the exhaust, it's like a kid trying to imitate a boxer motor with his lips. So I have to force the revs to climb with my foot, instead of a stabbing motion, it's like a rolling motion, heal to toe.

ZA1JA01C-enc_Tuning_VE_91oct_V12.48D.BIN Is the file I'm running. It says 91oct but you said it's 93.

This tune has 4 maps, with increasing throttle aggressiveness. Map 1 is the only map I can use. Map 2 sets the idle rpm to 1,200 and refuses to go any lower. Map 3 shoots the rpms up as if I passed out with my foot on the gas. I basically hit accept on map 3 and the engine starts revving and I have to quickly switch to map 1. Map 4, well I haven't tried it because I'm afraid it's just gonna floor it.

Something funky with the throttle logic is going on. AFR's are perfect according to my wideband. I don't know which is more accurate, the stock sensor or my AEM gauge but it sits around 14.7 while cruising and drops into the low 12's when floored.

The popping seemed to be related to the odd throttle response, it would pop when I let the rpms get too low and I'd try to rev match under 3,500 rpm, think slow traffic.

Also I'm not NA I have the kraftwerks kit.

OK, we have a new version that resolves a lot of this. So I think that will take care of these issues on your vehicle. Email me your name, dongle ID and FI kit you are using. I can get an update out to you.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

[post_break]

Originally Posted by DeliciousTuning

OK, we have a new version that resolves a lot of this. So I think that will take care of these issues on your vehicle. Email me your name, dongle ID and FI kit you are using. I can get an update out to you.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

Email sent. Not sure why my last emails didn't get to you.

[maxjedi]

Originally Posted by DeliciousTuning

Is this a large concern for people or more of an annoyance?

It becomes a large concern when you get into a traffic jam and spend a lot of time with clutch depressed. Under normal driving conditions, it's not a problem.

[GremlinGSP]

That and going into areas with crosswalks. I just clutch in to stop for a sec for pedestrians and it revs and then they look at me funny/think I'm gonna run em over.

[JamesBond000]

Originally Posted by DeliciousTuning

OK, we have a new version that resolves a lot of this. So I think that will take care of these issues on your vehicle. Email me your name, dongle ID and FI kit you are using. I can get an update out to you.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

When you say e-mail you mean using the contact portion on the delicious website or is there a separate e-mail we should be aware of. Just making sure

[qtwre]

Originally Posted by maxjedi

It becomes a large concern when you get into a traffic jam and spend a lot of time with clutch depressed. Under normal driving conditions, it's not a problem.

Yep, what he said. To clarify, Bill, it isn't with the transmission in neutral and clutch to the floor that the high idle occurs. It's transmission in any gear and clutch to the floor while rolling. Stopped, it will fall to a normal idle. Neutral and rolling, normal idle.

It's fine with clear roads ahead when you aren't stopping much, but in stop and go traffic, or slowly negotiating turns in a parking lot, it's just awful to deal with.

Thanks for you attention. It must be a pain to find that balance. I'm currently using an old map which doesn't have that problem, but it does stumble around with the AC on so I understand what you're trying to do with the new maps.

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by JamesBond000

When you say e-mail you mean using the contact portion on the delicious website or is there a separate e-mail we should be aware of. Just making sure

sales@delicioustuning.com

Sincerely,


Delicious Tuning

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by GremlinGSP

That and going into areas with crosswalks. I just clutch in to stop for a sec for pedestrians and it revs and then they look at me funny/think I'm gonna run em over.

It is part of the tune, it makes people move out of the way faster.

Working on adjusting this.

Cheers
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

[Ryan86]

Bill have you had any starting issues on the stage 2 NA tune. Had Lenny call me a few times now saying the car won't start, after 5 to 6 times it starts.
This is while the car is warm or hot. Also mentioned mainly happens when he changes maps.