CSG and RCE tag-team suspension Q&A thread! Ask us anything!

[Calum]

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

Unfortunately it doesn't look like we'll be able to do custom Bilsteins for this platform.

Might have something else up our sleeves, but too early for a timeline.

- Andy

Shit.

Originally Posted by STV3

So still nothing on the TRD springs as to whether they positively or negatively affect the handling of the FRS?

Really just looking to keep the cars ride quality and handling as close to stock as possible.

The ride quality and handling with RCE yellows, a little more caster, and a good alignment is better than stock. I was actually very surprised when my car was smoother going over bumps AND could hold more speed mid corner.

[STV3]

Originally Posted by Calum

Shit.




The ride quality and handling with RCE yellows, a little more caster, and a good alignment is better than stock. I was actually very surprised when my car was smoother going over bumps AND could hold more speed mid corner.

Yeah I've heard a lot of good things about these and the drop is just shy of an inch correct? This may be another option for me, but I was interested in the TRD springs because of the warranty on the stock shocks.

[Racecomp Engineering]

Originally Posted by STV3

So still nothing on the TRD springs as to whether they positively or negatively affect the handling of the FRS?

Really just looking to keep the cars ride quality and handling as close to stock as possible.

As far as I know the spring rates were never released, so it's hard to say.

- Andy

[Sirsimon]

Originally Posted by Calum

The ride quality and handling with RCE yellows, a little more caster, and a good alignment is better than stock. I was actually very surprised when my car was smoother going over bumps AND could hold more speed mid corner.

Absolutely true. Similar setup here (RCE yellows, stock struts), MPSS tires, a bunch of Whiteline bushings and a great alignment has equalled an incredible corner monster. Much smoother over bumps than stock. Especially after the bushings and alignment.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Calum

Recently put on MPSSs and now when I'm approaching the new found limits I find the car bouncy/floating mid corner when going over even mildly uneven pavement. Is it possible to keep it predictable and steady going over bumps while the bump stops are well compressed? Without either spending a shit ton of money, or turning the limit into a knife edge that I wont feel comfortable with either?

Set up is stock unless otherwise stated:
RCE Yellows
Whiteline: diff inserts, subframe inserts (I doubt these would have much to do with it, but it's possible, camber bolts, and front control arm bushings.
And of course, the 215-45-17 pilot super sports.

Time for some dampers

[Calum]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Time for some dampers

I'm pretty sure I have the answer to this question, but I'm gonna ask anyway.

Which dampers would anyone recommend?

[Calum]

Also while I'm posting in this thread, I'd like to rehatch the sway bar debat.

I'm also finding the car understeers mid corner. I'm thinking of upgrading to a 16 mm adjustable rear bar to help tune out some of that understeer. Is this a mistake? If so, why?

Thanks guys!

[Turkish]

Originally Posted by Calum

I'm pretty sure I have the answer to this question, but I'm gonna ask anyway.

Which dampers would anyone recommend?

Bilstein would be my preference, probably the B6's in your scenario, although the B8's would probably also work too.

[Racecomp Engineering]

Originally Posted by Calum

I'm pretty sure I have the answer to this question, but I'm gonna ask anyway.

Which dampers would anyone recommend?

Koni and Bilstein are like Pepsi and Coke. Coke is better.

Just kidding. I run Koni on my personal Mini Cooper S and like them but I'm about to switch to custom valved Bilsteins (which would be like pure cane sugar fancy hispter soda). You could still do that with Bilstein HDs, the price just adds up.

In general I do like the gas pressure and monotube feel from Bilsteins...over big bumps they feel a little smoother and the response is a little quicker. The twintube Koni feels better on small and medium bumps. The rebound adjustment is pretty nice too but I really dig the fast response of the Bilstein.

The current price on the Koni Yellow full replacements from FT86club is hard to pass up. Bilstein HDs would work for you really well too and you could revalve them sometime down the line. I would be happy with either.

- Andy

[Racecomp Engineering]

Originally Posted by Calum

Also while I'm posting in this thread, I'd like to rehatch the sway bar debat.

I'm also finding the car understeers mid corner. I'm thinking of upgrading to a 16 mm adjustable rear bar to help tune out some of that understeer. Is this a mistake? If so, why?

Thanks guys!

How much front camber are you running?

I usually don't like running a bigger rear bar without a bigger front. You could still bias the sizes so that you get an overall increase in rear roll stiffness.

- Andy

[gramicci101]

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

Koni and Bilstein are like Pepsi and Coke. Coke is better.

- Andy

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by Calum

Also while I'm posting in this thread, I'd like to rehatch the sway bar debat.

I'm also finding the car understeers mid corner. I'm thinking of upgrading to a 16 mm adjustable rear bar to help tune out some of that understeer. Is this a mistake? If so, why?

Thanks guys!

what are your other mods?


are you on the gas mid corner?




FYI I'm doing c-stock in an FRS and I put in a Strano FSB because the oversteer was just too much for me. I now really enjoy the car's handling and any understeer is usually a result of me driving too fast for the radius of the corner (autocross)

I wouldn't even consider a RSB at this point

[solidONE]

Originally Posted by Calum

Also while I'm posting in this thread, I'd like to rehatch the sway bar debat.

I'm also finding the car understeers mid corner. I'm thinking of upgrading to a 16 mm adjustable rear bar to help tune out some of that understeer. Is this a mistake? If so, why?

Thanks guys!

Maybe you ought to try playing with alignment setting and tire pressure before you go add a rear sway bar.

[Calum]

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

Koni and Bilstein are like Pepsi and Coke. Coke is better.

Just kidding. I run Koni on my personal Mini Cooper S and like them but I'm about to switch to custom valved Bilsteins (which would be like pure cane sugar fancy hispter soda). You could still do that with Bilstein HDs, the price just adds up.

In general I do like the gas pressure and monotube feel from Bilsteins...over big bumps they feel a little smoother and the response is a little quicker. The twintube Koni feels better on small and medium bumps. The rebound adjustment is pretty nice too but I really dig the fast response of the Bilstein.

The current price on the Koni Yellow full replacements from FT86club is hard to pass up. Bilstein HDs would work for you really well too and you could revalve them sometime down the line. I would be happy with either.

- Andy

The fact that Bilstein's can be rebuilt by more shops alone is a big selling point. I was leaning that way anyway.

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

How much front camber are you running?

I usually don't like running a bigger rear bar without a bigger front. You could still bias the sizes so that you get an overall increase in rear roll stiffness.

- Andy

Right now I'm around 1.5 deg negative. I'm planning to take it to a competent shop and have them slot the struts. My goal would be 2.5-2.75. Of course I'd do this and see how it feels before I install sway bars.

I was thinking of running a 20mm front with a 16mm rear. Both adjustable so I should be able to play with it if the base setup is too much for me. Would that be more to your liking?

Originally Posted by 7thgear

what are your other mods?


are you on the gas mid corner?




FYI I'm doing c-stock in an FRS and I put in a Strano FSB because the oversteer was just too much for me. I now really enjoy the car's handling and any understeer is usually a result of me driving too fast for the radius of the corner (autocross)

I wouldn't even consider a RSB at this point

Other mods are a drop in filter and a Delicious Tuning tune.

I am squeezing the gas, but only enough to keep the suspension settled and maintain speed.

Originally Posted by solidONE

Maybe you ought to try playing with alignment setting and tire pressure before you go add a rear sway bar.

I certainly agree. Education is power though. If I can't accomplish what I want through basic setup of what I have, then I'll look at further mods.