Full throttle Electric Supercharger Build Thread

[keen as]

Originally Posted by myioz86

Well i am from oz and i dont like the way gums has run his cables over the top of the motor . i want to run down the left side of the car to controller hiding the wires as i go , then from the controller under the air box to the ESC unit. as far as i can tell doing it this way all i need to extend is the pedal switch. just need to know how long wires are on american vertion. this way i dont have to wait for rob to mod on to suit oz cars.

Thanks John

I understand you want to assess the fitment of a Nth American version for Aussie.


For the Aussie version, I discussed wire runs with Rob in January. I also provided measurements and pictures of runs in the engine bay. The shortest run was best for the ESC. Rob wanted to keep the controller on the right side of the car because this last final wiring of the unit was the most crucial to keep short. Also, the wire from battery to controller shortest run is where Gums has it. I remember Rob saying that if the run is longer, the wire needs to be much thicker.


If you want different, you may need to specially request Rob.


I think Gums will check his message and reply. I think the final lengths on his car was different to the measurements I provided.

[myioz86]

Very good "Keen as" thanks for the info. i wonder how may aus units are on order. has any one herd when the next lot of ESC will be released. "This wait is killing me"

[gtfapollo]

Originally Posted by myioz86

Very good "Keen as" thanks for the info. i wonder how may aus units are on order. has any one herd when the next lot of ESC will be released. "This wait is killing me"

I believe it's at the stage where it will be 'soon'. That's it that's all. @fenton always lets us know information as soon as he gets it. He will never withhold it. @Robftss pops on every now and then with interesting news. I know for many it's frustrating dealing with the wait - the product is fantastic, but just sit tight and the information will always come. No point in reporting on no new news. Progress is only as fast as progress goes and the more people asking won't change that. Yes there is a delay, yes it is still essentially a work in progress as revisions and continual improvements are still being made. We are a fortunate bunch to be taking part of this 'experiment' and development of electric forced induction. There is limited quantities being produced and the reasons for this have been explained. @Robftss is strict on his quality control and is dedicated to perfecting this product to 'idiot proof' stage. You can't do this in any quick manner. I am actually quite surprised at the pace in which this product is being developed at to be honest. Give it time. It will come. The longer the wait, the better it will be.

[Gums]

Originally Posted by keen as

Rob wanted to keep the controller on the right side of the car because this last final wiring of the unit was the most crucial to keep short.

I have to admit, I have entertained ideas of a shorter run to the controller.
This ^ pretty much puts these ideas to bed without a major redesign, which wouldn't be worth the trouble.
@Robftss in the RHD kits current configuration, what percentage loss would you estimate the longer cables (batteries to controller) give over the LHD kit?

Originally Posted by gtfapollo

I believe it's at the stage where it will be 'soon'. That's it that's all. @fenton always lets us know information as soon as he gets it. He will never withhold it. @Robftss pops on every now and then with interesting news. I know for many it's frustrating dealing with the wait - the product is fantastic, but just sit tight and the information will always come. No point in reporting on no new news. Progress is only as fast as progress goes and the more people asking won't change that. Yes there is a delay, yes it is still essentially a work in progress as revisions and continual improvements are still being made. We are a fortunate bunch to be taking part of this 'experiment' and development of electric forced induction. There is limited quantities being produced and the reasons for this have been explained. @Robftss is strict on his quality control and is dedicated to perfecting this product to 'idiot proof' stage. You can't do this in any quick manner. I am actually quite surprised at the pace in which this product is being developed at to be honest. Give it time. It will come. The longer the wait, the better it will be.

Very true and well said.

[WNDSRFR]

OK I'm ready to take a break from my experimentation with alcohol. I've gone through 100 gallons and it's about time to give the system a good gasoline rinsing. Plus I might as well take advantage of the current relatively low gas prices.


So, how important is it to drain the tank of e85 before I give it gas and change the tune? Seems like it wouldn't be as critical as going the other way (from gas to alcohol).


Another thing I was wondering about is, what would be the effect of mixing e85 and 89 0ctane? Or e85 and California's crappy 91 octane? The last time I was at the e85 pump I noticed the sticker on the pump that said "octane rating no less than 116". Seems like you could come up with the right proportions to turn cheap 89 octane into 93 and save a lot of money.

[fenton]

Originally Posted by WNDSRFR

OK I'm ready to take a break from my experimentation with alcohol. I've gone through 100 gallons and it's about time to give the system a good gasoline rinsing. Plus I might as well take advantage of the current relatively low gas prices.


So, how important is it to drain the tank of e85 before I give it gas and change the tune? Seems like it wouldn't be as critical as going the other way (from gas to alcohol).


Another thing I was wondering about is, what would be the effect of mixing e85 and 89 0ctane? Or e85 and California's crappy 91 octane? The last time I was at the e85 pump I noticed the sticker on the pump that said "octane rating no less than 116". Seems like you could come up with the right proportions to turn cheap 89 octane into 93 and save a lot of money.

Unless you run a flex fuel kit on your car it will not like running a mix of e85 and 91 or 89. Your octane rating will be good but the Oxygen percentage will be way off causing your car to have terrible fuel trims.

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by WNDSRFR

OK I'm ready to take a break from my experimentation with alcohol. I've gone through 100 gallons and it's about time to give the system a good gasoline rinsing. Plus I might as well take advantage of the current relatively low gas prices.


So, how important is it to drain the tank of e85 before I give it gas and change the tune? Seems like it wouldn't be as critical as going the other way (from gas to alcohol).


Another thing I was wondering about is, what would be the effect of mixing e85 and 89 0ctane? Or e85 and California's crappy 91 octane? The last time I was at the e85 pump I noticed the sticker on the pump that said "octane rating no less than 116". Seems like you could come up with the right proportions to turn cheap 89 octane into 93 and save a lot of money.

Run it as close to true empty as you can. Like @fenton says, running ethanol blend above e10 will really mess with your trims. Get all the e85 out as possible before you fill up. Most cars have 2-2.5 gals left when the low fuel warning light comes on. I use a conservative 20mpg on e85, so will start the trip odometer when the light comes on, drive 40 miles and fill up. That gives me roughly a 10 mile buffer before running out. Or you can skip all that and just put a small jerry can full of gas in your trunk.

[Boofneenee]

Originally Posted by WNDSRFR

OK I'm ready to take a break from my experimentation with alcohol. I've gone through 100 gallons and it's about time to give the system a good gasoline rinsing. Plus I might as well take advantage of the current relatively low gas prices.


So, how important is it to drain the tank of e85 before I give it gas and change the tune? Seems like it wouldn't be as critical as going the other way (from gas to alcohol).


Another thing I was wondering about is, what would be the effect of mixing e85 and 89 0ctane? Or e85 and California's crappy 91 octane? The last time I was at the e85 pump I noticed the sticker on the pump that said "octane rating no less than 116". Seems like you could come up with the right proportions to turn cheap 89 octane into 93 and save a lot of money.

Personally I wouldn't mix fuels unless I had a flex fuel kit.

[Boofneenee]

Also here is a brief update to summarize my feelings towards this product since I have had it "properly" installed. ...... Here goes ....... ........ Orgasmic

[silent runner]

The fuel mix/tune stuff is very interesting, but it sounds pretty complex as to reaching for the best with the system in the hands of you guys running the FRS/BRZ platform. Don't get me wrong, you guys are probing and testing, and I'm totally enjoying the process!

I've been playing with a little better alignment of my system, and relocating my batteries for a little shorter main power feed, from the dump pack. I had a little late night run last night and got some results myself! I was just on a test drive, but came across a 2013 Honda Accord Coupe, with the V-6 and 6spd. combo. I sucker punched him a little by taking off gently to 15mph or so and hitting it, (he must have been anticipating, because he hit it about 1/2 second later) but my old family car held him right back there until a pretty good speed, where I was turning off anyway. From what I've read, these Accord V-6, 6spd cars, put up some good numbers.

It's funny, I've gotten used to extra power, but I've adjusted to that expectation, and it all seems rather normal now, even casual. Thats the paradox of extra power for many people, including myself. A quicker rush from the gas pedal is rewarding at first, then it's normal, then it can be just a teaser to want more. I need to chill a bit, and just enjoy driving for awhile. Any more power, and I'm just going to start breaking things.

[enwave]

Originally Posted by silent runner

The fuel mix/tune stuff is very interesting, but it sounds pretty complex as to reaching for the best with the system in the hands of you guys running the FRS/BRZ platform. Don't get me wrong, you guys are probing and testing, and I'm totally enjoying the process!

I've been playing with a little better alignment of my system, and relocating my batteries for a little shorter main power feed, from the dump pack. I had a little late night run last night and got some results myself! I was just on a test drive, but came across a 2013 Honda Accord Coupe, with the V-6 and 6spd. combo. I sucker punched him a little by taking off gently to 15mph or so and hitting it, (he must have been anticipating, because he hit it about 1/2 second later) but my old family car held him right back there until a pretty good speed, where I was turning off anyway. From what I've read, these Accord V-6, 6spd cars, put up some good numbers.

It's funny, I've gotten used to extra power, but I've adjusted to that expectation, and it all seems rather normal now, even casual. Thats the paradox of extra power for many people, including myself. A quicker rush from the gas pedal is rewarding at first, then it's normal, then it can be just a teaser to want more. I need to chill a bit, and just enjoy driving for awhile. Any more power, and I'm just going to start breaking things.

If you want to bring back the rush, turn the ESC off for about 10 minutes and take some WOT pulls. Then flip it back on. It'll help you remember how much better the car is with it on


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[fenton]

Oh boy.... It was a little cooler today and WOW what a difference with this new setup. Earlier it was usually 30 to 33c and today it was 18....I've got to say I am damn impressed.... With this new setup the pull you feel at 4000 rpm with the tq250 is what you feel at 7000 rpm with the 300. Really hoping I can get to a dyno soon and hoping @Shiv@Openflash will be able to do a remote tune for us to get some new baseline numbers

[07jazzrs5gt86]

Originally Posted by fenton

Oh boy.... It was a little cooler today and WOW what a difference with this new setup. Earlier it was usually 30 to 33c and today it was 18....I've got to say I am damn impressed.... With this new setup the pull you feel at 4000 rpm with the tq250 is what you feel at 7000 rpm with the 300. Really hoping I can get to a dyno soon and hoping @Shiv@Openflash will be able to do a remote tune for us to get some new baseline numbers

Are there's a list for this new 300 yet?
You can definitely add me to the list while i still waiting for the 250tq though

[fenton]

Originally Posted by 07jazzrs5gt86

Are there's a list for this new 300 yet?
You can definitely add me to the list while i still waiting for the 250tq though

No list yet no. Rob said 6 months at least.