Test drove and is Scion serious

[Veejayy]

First- test drove 2015 FRS at Scion. Steering even better than new Cayman - about as good as old Cayman. Suspension - excellent. Ergonomics- great. Engine- like my old RX-8 - more would be better.

So anyway- would not mind owning (decision really is do I want a sports car or not).

Price- Scion said what is on the sticker with no haggling. I am under the impression that these great cars are not selling as well as thought and that the wholesale market is off.

My offer (i have not negotiated yet) would be (for AT base ) about $23.5-24k range ( i'm talkin 2015).

Any hope? Thx.

[Snowblind]

Lol Automatic.

[ProjectGT86]

Originally Posted by Veejayy

First- test drove 2015 FRS at Scion. Steering even better than new Cayman - about as good as old Cayman. Suspension - excellent. Ergonomics- great. Engine- like my old RX-8 - more would be better.

So anyway- would not mind owning (decision really is do I want a sports car or not).

Price- Scion said what is on the sticker with no haggling. I am under the impression that these great cars are not selling as well as thought and that the wholesale market is off.

My offer (i have not negotiated yet) would be (for AT base ) about $23.5-24k range ( i'm talkin 2015).

Any hope? Thx.

If you can drive stick get the stick

[soon...]

If you want to negotiate, get a BRZ

[gramicci101]

Scion calls it a benefit. They offer you MSRP, if you don't like it, don't buy it. No haggling, no uncomfortableness, etc... You can absolutely haggle on the various warranty coverages though.

Get a Subaru, they'll bargain with you. And get a limited. And a manual.

[Xti]

LOL !! Probably people just don't understand the value of 86 as you do.

On to the Negotiation point, Scion says that to make people feel less hassle in buying process. You can still find dealer who is motivated to sell you a car. For negotiating games, go with BRZ.

[PHLonomenal]

Can't agree more as to the steering. Test drove base 2009 and 2011 Cayman's before buying this car and they feel identical. Haven't driven the new Cayman though. Good luck to the OP.

[Teseo]

After year riding it, complain anout lacks of power. Then you will realize it and trade-in it for a mustang.
Same story, different names tought.

[Ubersuber]

Originally Posted by PHLonomenal

Can't agree more as to the steering. Test drove base 2009 and 2011 Cayman's before buying this car and they feel identical. Haven't driven the new Cayman though. Good luck to the OP.

Old Cayman is hydraulic servo, new Cayman is electric as is the FRS/BRZ.

[gramicci101]

Originally Posted by Teseo

After year riding it, complain anout lacks of power. Then you will realize it and trade-in it for a mustang.
Same story, different names tought.

Mustangs ride like a pile of jello on a hot plate and handle like you're sitting on an under-inflated yoga ball. I could see trading in for a used cayman though.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Veejayy

I am under the impression that these great cars are not selling as well as thought and that the wholesale market is off.

It's selling just fine. That turned out to be a myth. Either way it doesn't really matter, though, because the no-haggle marketing ploy is a strategy set by Toyota that the Scion dealers are supposed to adhere to.

Originally Posted by soon...

If you want to negotiate, get a BRZ

^^^
This.

When I bought mine, the BRZ was priced a few hundred dollars more than the FR-S, but the BRZ was actually selling for $1700 less on average in my area because people could negotiate the lower price on the BRZ.

It is apparently possible to negotiate the Scion price. If you're buying at the end of the month and the dealership hasn't made its sales quota, they may be willing to break "Pure Price" protocol and discount the car to make their numbers for the month. Since they're not supposed to negotiate on price, they also can make up for it in other areas, like giving you more on your trade-in. Someone also mentioned that he got his dealer to break Pure Price by bringing them a quote from another dealer who had a lower sticker price on the car, basically getting them into a bidding war.

The whole marketing concept of Scion just pisses me off in general, so I avoided their stupid price game altogether by going with the Subaru.

[PHLonomenal]

Originally Posted by Ubersuber

Old Cayman is hydraulic servo, new Cayman is electric as is the FRS/BRZ.

I'm well aware of this. Which is astonishing from a feel standpoint and an absolute WIN at this pricepoint. Drive a last gen Cayman and report back. You'll be more impressed with our car. I guarantee it.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Xti

On to the Negotiation point, Scion says that to make people feel less hassle in buying process.

Baloney. Scion says that to convince naive young buyers to pay more for the cars than they're really worth. A lot of people are not comfortable negotiating and have a lot of anxiety about the negotiation process. The Pure Price scam takes advantage of their fear. "Trust me, I'm giving you the best deal without negotiating," said the car dealer, and you believed him.

The proof of that is in the averages paid for comparable trim levels of the BRZ and FR-S. The out the door price of the FR-S is consistently higher despite the fact that the sticker price is lower.

[Cope52]

You're saying more power would be better and you want an automatic? And this car is worth every penny of its sticker price. Have no idea why these cars are languishing on dealer lots. I guess most people are just power hungry poseurs.