FRS VS BRZ

[s0sl0w]

Originally Posted by litemup

I believe you are confusing grip with understeer.

You've obviously never taken a BRZ thru a set of transitions.

[nickhabi]

So what's the verdict?

Used Scion Monogram or new scion 2015 model or 2015 BRZ?

What would you guys do in my place?

[peri.Laynz]

Whatever fits in your budget best and whether or not you're entirely too vain to go with Scion badges or you HAVE TO have Subaru badges.

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by nickhabi

So what's the verdict?

Used Scion Monogram or new scion 2015 model or 2015 BRZ?

What would you guys do in my place?

get a focus...

[mwjcyber]

Here's a list of differences between the 2013 FRS and 2013 BRZ Limited. Both MT.

I wanted a white FT86, so I used them for price comparison. At first BRZ's were selling over MSRP, while Scions fixed price policy prevailed. Now BRZ's are going for under MSRP, some for nearly what a FRS runs. Pricing includes destination fee. One thing FRS gets BRZ doesn't is 3yr/30k free scheduled maintenance.

FRS Whiteout
$25,475

BRZ Limited SWP
$28,265

MSRP Difference
$2790

My Difference
$2225

So what did I get for the extra $2.2k?

-Cosmetic Differences-

• Leather trimmed Alcantra Interior
• Silver trimmed interior
• Interior Courtesy Lights (doors)
• Trunk Trim
• Fog lights
• Side scuddle
• Antenna
• Black gage's
• Trunk Spoiler
• Front bumper (IMO BRZ with lip spoiler > stock FRS, but stock to stock FRS wins)

-Functional Differences-

• HID headlamps (Automatic) with led strip
• LED daytime running light strip
• Lighted vanity mirrors
• Color matched interior (refers to the clock, climate controls, gauges, and radio all lighting up red)
• NAV head unit with SIRIUS, HD Radio, DIVX video playback
• Push button start
• Keyless entry
• Digital dual climate control system
• Heated seats/mirrors
• Anti theft security system
• Spring rates

Ultimately the differences come down to whats important for you. Because this was going to be my daily driver, I wanted all the upgrades, and was willing to pay the extra $2k. Additionally the BRZ is rarer than FRS, with a 1:3 production ratio. If this was going to be a weekend/autocross/track car, I would have gone with an FRS

[FRSpappa]

FRS=Driver BRZ=Cruiser 😉

[Scoobybrz]

Keep looking, if you want eh extra features. BRZ are more limited because of lower production.

[solus]

4 reasons why I chose the FRS over the BRZ... 1. IMO front fascia on FRS looks better, 2. all the Subaru dealers around here had crazy mark-up (+$5K over MSRP) and I didn't feel like haggling. 3. Went to Subaru dealer, 30 minutes later not a single saleman to be seen, went inside and no one helped me... left and went to Toyota. Toyota dealer customer service > Subaru dealer customer service. 4. Price again, got a "used" 2014 FRS w/ 900 mi for $23700 OTD. same BRZ will haggling (down $5K) ~$30K.

Everything else was immaterial, heated seats blah, push button start blah... etc etc not for $7k, thanks but no thanks.

[blackhawkdown]

[FiRStsc10n]

Originally Posted by mwjcyber

[*]Under-hood Trim

Out of curiosity, what is this under-hood trim?

[litemup]

Originally Posted by Andrew025

I wouldn't really call it understeer either.
I would just say it's easier to induce a rear skid in the FRS than the BRZ.

If it happens when you aren't trying, that's called oversteer.

If it's easier to do it just because you want it to, that's called neutral handling.

If the car prefers to plow before it drifts all 4 transitioning into a turn, that to me, has always been extremely frustrating.

I'm not a super track-day warrior. I'm just a middle-aged family guy doing ok with a tiny bit of disposable income who as always deeply appreciated a fine set of wheels. I chose the FR-S because of what I read and because the front-end looks nicer.

...oh, and because my wife was sick of looking at my rustbucket Eclipse, no matter how impeccably I maintained it under the hood.

[mwjcyber]

Originally Posted by FiRStsc10n

Out of curiosity, what is this under-hood trim?

That sir is a typo.

[litemup]

Originally Posted by s0sl0w

You've obviously never taken a BRZ thru a set of transitions.

No, I have not. I would love the opportunity to trade off for a couple laps with someone I trust to get a first-hand opinion.

That being said, if it's just a difference in spring-rates, I'm guessing the difference can be felt by only the most experienced of drivers. Probably not me.

[cdrazic93]

Originally Posted by nickhabi

Hello my dearest of fellow forum members,

It has been quite some while that I have been deciding between the FRS and BRZ and as such have spent much time lurking this very elaborate forum.
okie dokie artichokie
It is now apparent to me that the BRZ and FRS are very similar cars but that the BRZ handles better and is equipped with features that are more attractive to me including push start button.
the BRZ does not handle better, in multiple quotes from tada, the suspension is the only difference; that being said the BRZ is tuned for a more neutral driving feel. Even amount of oversteer and understeer. The FRS is tuned for oversteer on purpose for an Æ86 feel.
However, having searched on Craigslist, it also appears to me that the FRS is an easier car to sell. I cannot find any BRZ models for sale in Vancouver, BC. Is it true that this car is harder to sell?
The agreement between subaru and Toyota was that for every 10 FRS's made there would be 1 BRZ made. There are physcially less BRZ's on the road than FRS's.
I am bummed that I cannot find the Monogram FRS series as this satisfies all my needs. The next best thing is the BRZ.
honestly, the monogram FRS is a waste of money. Something that a regular FRS could have with some extra cash laying around that would be put to better use as in wheels and tires and/or suspension

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