Subaru BRZ and Toyota GT86 twins: not the drifter everyone says they are

[Khyron686]

Originally Posted by carbonBLUE

this car is for a young family with a dad that has the desire to cruise twisty back road occasionally, but still needs to take the kids to daycare/school

most likely this same age point will have another car, a bigger car(the wife's car that you still drive when everyones in it so she can do her make up and juggle bottles/snacks)

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On a fun note, here's power with no skill:

[SVTSHC]

Originally Posted by Bristecom

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Communi...e-cars-of-now/

"Here’s the rub: the BRZ/GT86 isn’t very sideways. Yes, if you pull the handbrake or give it a big Scandinavian Flick on the track the thing will adopt the kind of angles usually fleetingly glimpsed by WRC spectators just before Jari-Matti Latvala plummets off a cliff face, but then so would a Kia Picanto.

The BRZ/GT86 is a brilliant thing to drive, but it has very little power, which means you need to drive it absolutely flat out and throw it around in a way that’s often impossible out on the road, simply because you can’t see what’s coming round the next bend and therefore can’t commit to the accelerator – just like that old AE86. Ironically, it actually takes a whole heap of skill and years of experience to unlock the potential of a car that we’ve been told is perfect for rear-drive novices.

So here’s what’s going to happen: said hot hatchers will pick the car up from the dealership, turn all the traction control off and go for a blast. They’ll drive it as hard as they dare, swinging it through corners and stamping on the gas, chucking it into hairpins and willfully trying to unsettle the rear, and all the while traction will be total. And you know what, not one of those drivers will say anything about it, because they’ll be too scared to be the limp-wristed bloke that can’t even drift what they’ve been told is the most driftable car in decades.

Great car, that BRZ/GT86, and it’s a safe way to learn the basics of rear-wheel drive, but be warned: it won’t turn you into an overnight drift sensation."

Now, I know some of you will say, "Nobody said this will be a good drift car as stock." But it has certainly been implied and desired to be by many. I don't really care but I do think that a little more torque would have made this car that much more popular and fun.

It's not supposed to be easy to toss around; the original Hachi wasn't either. What it is, is a car that'll teach you how to drift with finesse once you're able to. So contrary to what the writer is saying, I believe this car WILL turn novices interested in sliding sideways into "drifting sensations". They'll learn how to do it properly rather than the "muscle your way into a sloppy slide" approach they'd end up taking in something with more grunt.

Either way, drifting doesn't interest me; just offering my 2 pennies.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by titusdrake

a corvette doesn't get 25 MPG LOL...troll

It can on the highway, in 6th gear, doing grandma speeds, and not touching the throttle,

In other words, drive a corvette like an economy car, you can get good mileage......Drive a corvette like a corvette, your mileage will suck.

[titusdrake]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

It can on the highway, in 6th gear, doing grandma speeds, and not touching the throttle,

In other words, drive a corvette like an economy car, you can get good mileage......Drive a corvette like a corvette, your mileage will suck.

if you drive a corvette like an economy car then you are also a troll

[Mr.Jay]

All I read is "why didn't they build me a 20k car that gets great mpg, 0-60 in 5 secs, turbo and make me into a drift king"

Just leave this car clearly isn't for you.

[Jordo!]

You know what's nice? A very neutral, ever so slightly biased to oversteer, handling car with bubblegum sticky tires.

Fuck all this drifting nonsense.

No car is meant to spend most of its time sideways out of the box.

[mattles]

So here is what we have determined this car is NOT...

This car is not "affordable" as it was once meant to be.
This car is not fast, and not considered a "drag car" so being slow is OK.
This is not a drift car, so let it go.
The back seat can fit toddlers at best.
The trunk can probably fit your backpack AND your duffle bag!
The car gets worse MPG than a 505hp Z06 Corvette that weighs 600 pounds more.

The same could be said about the s2000, the Miata and several other pocket sports cars.

Some people just get this market segment and others just dont. Im actually surprised we get so many cars since the size of the market for people that want a lightweight sports car with low power is very small compared to other markets.

The idea is a lightweight, fun to drive and relatively affordable FR car for novices and I happen to think it does that very well. Its not exactly an AE86 which was a subcompact econobox, and its not exactly an s2000 which is a purpose-built roadster but for all of the compromises the FT86 is forced to make, its quite good.

[brufleth]

Originally Posted by mattles

The same could be said about the s2000, the Miata and several other pocket sports cars.

Some people just get this market segment and others just dont. Im actually surprised we get so many cars since the size of the market for people that want a lightweight sports car with low power is very small compared to other markets.

The idea is a lightweight, fun to drive and relatively affordable FR car for novices and I happen to think it does that very well. Its not exactly an AE86 which was a subcompact econobox, and its not exactly an s2000 which is a purpose-built roadster but for all of the compromises the FT86 is forced to make, its quite good.

There actually aren't many new options in this niche right now. You can go the heavier more power route, pay much more for an Elise class car (I wish), or go used.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Mr.Jay

All I read is "why didn't they build me a 20k car that gets great mpg, 0-60 in 5 secs, turbo and make me into a drift king"

Just leave this car clearly isn't for you.

They did, its called Gran Turismo 5

[cassidy0998]

I was saying this from the get go. The numbers just don't add up, and there isn't any video of the car truly drifting. It won't be a drift car out of the box.

However...the 86 BADGE on the fender implies that the car is in a drift.

The sad fact is that it is underpowered, heavier, and more expensive than what most of us have hoped for. People are still giving into the hype and not wanting to face the truth about the true performance capabilities of this car. The same people settling for the 200hp probably would have settled for 100hp if Toybaru said that's all the car needs to be a performance machine. We must think for ourselves and not blindly agree with anything the manufacturers put in our faces telling us this is all we need.

I am a fan of the FR-S/BRZ, but I will not buy one for it to be a race car. If I was it would only be as a daily driver, a replacement of the 7th gen fwd Celica. But even then I can not justify the purchase, as it is priced too high for what you get.

[mattles]

^^ I dont know about you, but I dont believe any hype. I drove the car and thats why I am buying. I like the way it drives, I love the transmission, and Im a big fan of its handling ability out of the box.
I dont know how to explain this less hype-y but its a competent as fuck car for the price.

[mines13]

Blah, blah. huff. puff... Just because it does not meet your personal criteria for excellence, it does not make your opinion any more right for choosing not to buy it and others wrong for choosing to buy it. Because we chose to buy the car, it does not mean we are buying "hype", we see the performance/dollar ratio as adequate.

[86'd]

Originally Posted by cassidy0998

I was saying this from the get go. The numbers just don't add up, and there isn't any video of the car truly drifting. It won't be a drift car out of the box.

However...the 86 BADGE on the fender implies that the car is in a drift.

The sad fact is that it is underpowered, heavier, and more expensive than what most of us have hoped for. People are still giving into the hype and not wanting to face the truth about the true performance capabilities of this car. The same people settling for the 200hp probably would have settled for 100hp if Toybaru said that's all the car needs to be a performance machine. We must think for ourselves and not blindly agree with anything the manufacturers put in our faces telling us this is all we need.

I am a fan of the FR-S/BRZ, but I will not buy one for it to be a race car. If I was it would only be as a daily driver, a replacement of the 7th gen fwd Celica. But even then I can not justify the purchase, as it is priced too high for what you get.

I never saw the car in that light.

I always thought of it as a sportier Civic Si. So I'm not let down. Would I like a bit more HP, sure but I think the car makes up for that in other areas. Areas like seating position and a solid shifter for the price.

In no way am I blindly accepting anything. Other than a 20-30hp difference its exactly what I'm looking for. Add another 50hp in an NA engine like this and you're revving to 9k and you'll be paying an S2000 price for it. Put a WRX engine in it and you ruin the purpose and character of the car.

I think it is what it is and no car right now, new, can bring what the FRS/BRZ will.

And I'll eat my words too, if I test drive it and it feels lacking, I might take a look at the WRX, or Mustang GT and see if they'll be anymore fun...but I doubt it.

[denkigrve]

Originally Posted by cassidy0998

I was saying this from the get go. The numbers just don't add up, and there isn't any video of the car truly drifting. It won't be a drift car out of the box.

However...the 86 BADGE on the fender implies that the car is in a drift.

The sad fact is that it is underpowered, heavier, and more expensive than what most of us have hoped for. People are still giving into the hype and not wanting to face the truth about the true performance capabilities of this car. The same people settling for the 200hp probably would have settled for 100hp if Toybaru said that's all the car needs to be a performance machine. We must think for ourselves and not blindly agree with anything the manufacturers put in our faces telling us this is all we need.

I am a fan of the FR-S/BRZ, but I will not buy one for it to be a race car. If I was it would only be as a daily driver, a replacement of the 7th gen fwd Celica. But even then I can not justify the purchase, as it is priced too high for what you get.

Then how do you explain all of the people buying Miata's and auto-crossing them? This is the same thing. Power doesn't equal skill. This car is a fantastic platform to teach someone driving skill, then once they have skill there is plenty of room for upgrades and enhancements to take the platform to the next level. Looking at this car "as is" is wrong if you're considering it for motorsports. Looking at it as a platform that will allow you to grow it along with your skill is the right attitude to take into this type of purchase.