Got a track related question? I'll try to answer.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

Hey CSG Mike,
Have you considered 3-ways for your car?
http://teinusa-blog.com/3-way-adjustable-dampers/

They're just a tad expensive...

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by bkblitzed

Could have been more clear on that my bad. Dont want the amount of roll the car has, but also dont want it to be too stiff since im going coilovers. Do these cars like having the same size sways front and rear, or do they prefer a bigger soft front and a smaller stiff rear etc.

This still doesn't tell me what makes the car not neutral, just that you want less body roll.

Why are you trying to eliminate roll? It's not a bad thing.

[bkblitzed]

Nvm this question was based more towards autox, and less track.

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by bkblitzed

Nvm this question was based more towards autox, and less track.

if you're in stock class then you can experiment with a stiffer front bar


if you;'re planning on going coilovers then your spring choice should be chosen for autocross and any swaybars you get later should be there for fine tuning to different tracks, but that's like the icing on the cherry that goes on top of the icing that's on the cake...

[gramicci101]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

but that's like the icing on the cherry that goes on top of the icing that's on the cake...

Awesome description.

[Optimus Prime]

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask. Seemed like as good as any, so my apologies if it belongs somewhere else. I've never done HPDE, AutoX, etc. Where should one start? Sorry if it's already been asked and answered. It's a long thread and I admit I didn't read through it.

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by Optimus Prime

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask. Seemed like as good as any, so my apologies if it belongs somewhere else. I've never done HPDE, AutoX, etc. Where should one start? Sorry if it's already been asked and answered. It's a long thread and I admit I didn't read through it.

Doesn't matter. The more important thing is to go and learn at any of those venues. Autocross and HPDE are controlled environments. An instructor will help teach you the basics of track vision, safety, and lines. Without these, people do stupid things.

The best learning tool is actually sitting with a safe driving instructor and have them show you the lines, brake/gas points, and how to pass safely. You'll realize that modification is a pinpoint activity to increase reliability, safety, and fun, not just the thrill of a one hit wonder.

[kavanagh]

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68994
@CSG Mike and others if you haven't seen it. Endless by Manji brake kits


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[kavanagh]

Originally Posted by Optimus Prime

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask. Seemed like as good as any, so my apologies if it belongs somewhere else. I've never done HPDE, AutoX, etc. Where should one start? Sorry if it's already been asked and answered. It's a long thread and I admit I didn't read through it.

For what it's worth, the dollar per minute value of HPDE is far superior to autocross.

At auto props you'll likely spend all day there and get 4-5 minutes of seat time. At a single day HPDE, you'll get 60-80 minutes.


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[ZionsWrath]

Originally Posted by kavanagh

For what it's worth, the dollar per minute value of HPDE is far superior to autocross.

At auto props you'll likely spend all day there and get 4-5 minutes of seat time. At a single day HPDE, you'll get 60-80 minutes.


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I agree with you but I imagine some people in auto-x have a different mindset. It is much easier to compete with your car in auto-x than on a track. I say compete as in enter a competition and put up times, not that auto-x is easier than a track.

[Slick]

Originally Posted by kavanagh

For what it's worth, the dollar per minute value of HPDE is far superior to autocross.

At auto props you'll likely spend all day there and get 4-5 minutes of seat time. At a single day HPDE, you'll get 60-80 minutes.


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Don't discount the value of autocross.
Myself and many others got their start there and I can tell you that most that have done autoX have much better skills at performance driving than those that have not.

Many of the basic skills learned at autox (even by just watching others), give you a much better base of skills for HPDE including how to use weight transfer for grip and car rotation.

Slow is fast is just one of those things you learn from Day1 in AutoX.
Think of it as compressed learning. You get to do alot of car input and feedback in that 4-5 minutes.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by kavanagh

At auto props you'll likely spend all day there and get 4-5 minutes of seat time. At a single day HPDE, you'll get 60-80 minutes.


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Or more (with HPDE). With groups like Trackdaze, you get 120 min/day -- basically four 30-min sessions.

[kavanagh]

Originally Posted by Slick

Don't discount the value of autocross.
Myself and many others got their start there and I can tell you that most that have done autoX have much better skills at performance driving than those that have not.

Many of the basic skills learned at autox (even by just watching others), give you a much better base of skills for HPDE including how to use weight transfer for grip and car rotation.

Slow is fast is just one of those things you learn from Day1 in AutoX.
Think of it as compressed learning. You get to do alot of car input and feedback in that 4-5 minutes.

I completely agree that autocross is a great place to learn skills that are valuable in HPDE and also on the street for safety. My comment was simply aimed at the dollar per minute value.




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[ZionsWrath]

Originally Posted by Slick

Don't discount the value of autocross.
Myself and many others got their start there and I can tell you that most that have done autoX have much better skills at performance driving than those that have not.

Many of the basic skills learned at autox (even by just watching others), give you a much better base of skills for HPDE including how to use weight transfer for grip and car rotation.

Slow is fast is just one of those things you learn from Day1 in AutoX.
Think of it as compressed learning. You get to do alot of car input and feedback in that 4-5 minutes.

That is also true, it is much easier to turn off traction and learn what the throttle does and car does sliding in a parking lot than driving around 4th gear corners on a track. In fact the last track day I did they didn't even allow the beginner and intermediate group to turn off traction so I didn't get any experience with that. I was actually thinking to go to some auto-x to get some learning done.

To add, anyone know a good site to find some local auto-x? Motorsportsreg seems to be more track day oriented? or maybe I'm using it wrong