FR-S vs 370Z

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by Frost

You are absolutely correct. It was Car & Driver and they complained about this issue: TWICE.

The first time was when they took it out to the track (not the original review but the track comparo later). The second time was:

NISMO Z Review:
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...-lightning-lap

They got into a huge PR battle with Nissan about the issue and Nissan dropped the issue.

That's the article I was thinking about. To me, the brake issue by itself isn't a show-stopper (can be fixed with pads, fluid, and ducting), but it was one strike against the 370z. Strikes two and three were the oil temps and fuel starvation issues.

It's a lot of money to put into a new car to address all three of those.

[Frost]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

That's the article I was thinking about. To me, the brake issue by itself isn't a show-stopper (can be fixed with pads, fluid, and ducting), but it was one strike against the 370z. Strikes two and three were the oil temps and fuel starvation issues.

It's a lot of money to put into a new car to address all three of those.

The 370Z to me was always an odd ball - everyone kept proclaiming it as the best sports car money could buy but I always found it "meh". Good engine but everything else felt lacking (especially the interior on the original 350Z).

To equip the 370Z with a brake system that is that lacking highlights a very big problem in the way they wanted to take the car versus the final route they took.

I know the Twins have issues with brakes as per Motor Trend's Laguna Seca test but the Twins are a lot less expensive, lighter and don't have a fancy factory performance spec package either.

[Twin4Life]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

That's the article I was thinking about. To me, the brake issue by itself isn't a show-stopper (can be fixed with pads, fluid, and ducting), but it was one strike against the 370z. Strikes two and three were the oil temps and fuel starvation issues.

It's a lot of money to put into a new car to address all three of those.

'12 and 13+ model years resolved the oil and fuel issues, stock brakes still an issue, but like you said..pads, etc. I really dont expect any car to track without pads. Though the first two issues shouldnt have been issues to begin with.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by Twin4Life

'12 and 13+ model years resolved the oil and fuel issues, stock brakes still an issue, but like you said..pads, etc. I really dont expect any car to track without pads. Though the first two issues shouldnt have been issues to begin with.

Did they fix the fuel starvation issues? I thought it was still a problem, even with the newer MYs. I haven't been on the 370z boards in a while, but as of last year, I thought the only fix was aftermarket (modified fuel tank/pickup) unless you filled up to full after every session.

Also looks like oil coolers are still recommended for track days, even for the newer models.

I agree with you on brakes though. To me, that's the smallest issue to resolve. I wouldn't track most cars without pads/fluid anyway, and if the 370z needs ducting on top of that, it's fairly cheap.

[Twin4Life]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Did they fix the fuel starvation issues? I thought it was still a problem, even with the newer MYs. I haven't been on the 370z boards in a while, but as of last year, I thought the only fix was aftermarket (modified fuel tank/pickup) unless you filled up to full after every session.

Also looks like oil coolers are still recommended for track days, even for the newer models.

I agree with you on brakes though. To me, that's the smallest issue to resolve. I wouldn't track most cars without pads/fluid anyway, and if the 370z needs ducting on top of that, it's fairly cheap.

Ive heard of the fuel starve issue, never once have I seen it firsthand or experienced it. Older years included. I know some experienced folks recommended an upgraded oil cooler even on the '13's like I had. That was going to be a DIY if i had issues. Luckily I never did, but after more than 4 laps it might have become an issue.

[MokSpeed]

I find it very hard to compare the Z to a twin. As many have stated before I think it's more of a direct competitor with Genesis, Mustangs, Camaros, etc.

[Davey]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Did they fix the fuel starvation issues?

Nope.

[DylanFRS]

Originally Posted by makesdrivingfunagain

I thought the 370Z and the FR-S are in the same class at SCCA autocross events. However, from my personal humble non-professional opinion (enthusiast minded) they seem to be in two classes.

I am confused with your statement... It is your opinion that they should be in different classes or that they are?

Because the fact is that they are in the same SCCA class for Solo2. At the moment they are pretty close in terms of performance on an autocross course but at this point it is looking like the 370Z is may actually a bit faster despite its weight.

[makesdrivingfunagain]

Yeah I thought that they would be in two different classes (my opinion) non-professional non-experienced but enthusiast opinion. They have so much more power and torque. After driving the Z I was impressed with the power.

[The Stig]

Originally Posted by Twin4Life

I had an 05 350, 07, and a 13 370, I never heard of oil consumption on any model except the old Rev-Ups and oil burning on the 370???? Really? Has this been documented?

Did you ever cruise the 370 forums?
There's like 3000 threads on it.

There was even a tsb on it. From what I researched Nissan changed some small internal part that caused this issue again in the 370z. I know the vq35de motor never had problems.

[The Stig]

You definitely can't compare the frs to a 370z or 350z... they are 2 different markets for sure.

Personally I am a Nissan guy but the frs looks gorgeous. To me being in my 30s now and not wanting to mod every inch of a car the frs lacks options.
Options I mean hids factory, big brake kit, recaro or some sport seats and lastly more power. The car was so beautiful but I would need to drop at least 10k out of pocket to make it something I would drive.

I am excited to see the 2016 version I am hoping they put a high powered 4 cylinder turbo motor and offer a trd version or something that offers seats brakes etc for performance.

[tahdizzle]

They are definitely two different markets. Most of the comparisons are done because of price point. So technically they are in direct competition for someone looking for a car in the 30 grand range. Using that logic. they 370, twins, mustangs, camaros, accords, civics... etc etc are all in direct competition.

the twins are in direct competition of numerous models to someone who is in the market for a "Car".

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by The Stig

You definitely can't compare the frs to a 370z or 350z... they are 2 different markets for sure.

Personally I am a Nissan guy but the frs looks gorgeous. To me being in my 30s now and not wanting to mod every inch of a car the frs lacks options.
Options I mean hids factory, big brake kit, recaro or some sport seats and lastly more power. The car was so beautiful but I would need to drop at least 10k out of pocket to make it something I would drive.

I am excited to see the 2016 version I am hoping they put a high powered 4 cylinder turbo motor and offer a trd version or something that offers seats brakes etc for performance.

is it really that hard for you to compare things?

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

That's the article I was thinking about. To me, the brake issue by itself isn't a show-stopper (can be fixed with pads, fluid, and ducting), but it was one strike against the 370z. Strikes two and three were the oil temps and fuel starvation issues.

It's a lot of money to put into a new car to address all three of those.

C&D specifically said upgrading the pads and fluid didn't fix the problem. And I find that ridiculous, given the huge size of the front rotors (14") and relatively average weight of the car.


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