Can you name any FWD sports cars?

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by gymratter

i could care less about your signature. did i ever say ALL RWD were faster than ALL FWD? No? Thank you.

to me a FWD car doesn't feel like a sports car. and thats my opinion, feel free to disagreed.

I own FWD cars before. TL type S and stock vs stock, it doesnt come anywhere near to my to bimmer.

Well the definition of a "sports car" is one to be used for motorsports, so I just went to track use.


Which FWD cars have you driven? There are a TON of shitty FWD cars. The TL-S has insane torque steer. FWD being used for performance falls off with HP. There are no good high HP FWD cars for performance usage IMO.


My sig comment was about trading the BRZ for a Si, if you had read my signature you would have realized how stupid that statement was. I likely will be selling my BRZ (it's a garage queen at this point). Not sure what I'll replace it with. :shrug:

[blackhawkdown]

2 best fwd sports car of all time:

Honda/Acura Integra Type R
Lotus Elan

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Well the definition of a "sports car" is one to be used for motorsports, so I just went to track use.


Which FWD cars have you driven? There are a TON of shitty FWD cars. The TL-S has insane torque steer. FWD being used for performance falls off with HP. There are no good high HP FWD cars for performance usage IMO.


My sig comment was about trading the BRZ for a Si, if you had read my signature you would have realized how stupid that statement was. I likely will be selling my BRZ (it's a garage queen at this point). Not sure what I'll replace it with. :shrug:

i have driven way too many to keep track of.

actually the trading in the twins comment was aimed at all FWD lovers. NOT 100% DIRECTED straight at you.

its also funny how you didn't include and or rebuttal Tada san's comment

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by stugray

So your definition of "sports car" includes the requirement for four seats?
I never said FWD cars could not be fast. I merely pointed out that IF the intent was to design a racecar the engineers would not pick FWD ad a starting point. Are you suggesting that the original intent of the Cadillac's chief designer was to build a racecar?

I was replying to your comment about starting a car for racing.


In the end, NO STREET CAR is designed with the *intention* of being a race car. There are homologation models to allow a setup to be used for racing but that's about the closest you get.


Purpose built race cars will always be designed to be the best, and there's no doubt that's RWD. However this topic is about (I assumed) street cars that one could consider a sports car. I do so by the feel and experience of the car and in that regard there are a ton of shitty RWD and FWD cars. And all AWD cars IMO (at least I haven't found one that I truly enjoyed driving yet).

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

I already explained why those cars are FWD. I never said the majority of FWD cars outperform RWD cars either.

ok, well we all pretty much know that, but thanks for sharing.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by gymratter

i have driven way too many to keep track of.

actually the trading in the twins comment was aimed at all FWD lovers. NOT 100% DIRECTED straight at you.

its also funny how you didn't include and or rebuttal Tada san's comment

I didn't see any point on commenting on marketing...

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by paulca

It's kinda in the name really, "Touring car", not "Sports car", Just sayin... Don't they weight the RWD cars down or something?

The Acura TSX runs in a "sports car" named class. I didn't realize that's what mattered here.

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

I didn't see any point on commenting on marketing...

lol w/e man. i think a chief engineer would know a thing or two about a car's handling.

lets just agreed to disagreed.

you have fun with your FWD sport car than

While we're at it, since FWD is so awesome lets make the whole Lexus line FWD!!!

Toyota, please make FT-1 FWD too since you're at it!!! please please please, everyone here loves FWD so much.

Oh and please don't forgot to make the 2nd gen 86 FWD too.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by gymratter

lol w/e man. i think a chief engineer would know a thing or two about a car's handling.

lets just agreed to disagreed.

you have fun with your FWD sport car than

While we're at it, since FWD is so awesome lets make the whole Lexus line FWD!!!

Toyota, please make FT-1 FWD too since you're at it!!! please please please, everyone here loves FWD so much.

Oh and please don't forgot to make the 2nd gen 86 FWD too.

The point is that FWD cars can be very fun to drive and can be quick. They can also provide great steering and chassis feel/feedback. So can RWD.


I pick my cars on the *experience* of driving them, not the drivetrain layout.


I've already said RWD is the best solution, it just doesn't invalidate the FWD can be done correctly also to provide an involving and exciting/fun driving experience.


Tada isn't just a CE, he was and probably still is the main marketer of these cars also. The Lexus LS is a RWD too but I wouldn't consider it a sports car Same with the old SC300s, it's even a coupe.. an extremely boring one.

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

The point is that FWD cars can be very fun to drive and can be quick. They can also provide great steering and chassis feel/feedback. So can RWD.


I pick my cars on the *experience* of driving them, not the drivetrain layout.


I've already said RWD is the best solution, it just doesn't invalidate the FWD can be done correctly also to provide an involving and exciting/fun driving experience.


Tada isn't just a CE, he was and probably still is the main marketer of these cars also. The Lexus LS is a RWD too but I wouldn't consider it a sports car Same with the old SC300s, it's even a coupe.. an extremely boring one.

ok, i never disagreed with that now did i? what i been saying is RWD in general is more fun and enjoyable. for example, FRS is wayyyyyyy funner to drive than the Si... I think everyone here would agreed with that.

um have i not also listed my experience with FWD? but nice try

never said the LS400 was a sports car... but I rather it be RWD than FWD like the RL at that time. A SC300 isn't so boring when you drop in a 2jzGTE in.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by gymratter

ok, i never disagreed with that now did i? what i been saying is RWD in general is more fun and enjoyable. for example, FRS is wayyyyyyy funner to drive than the Si... I think everyone here would agreed with that.

um have i not also listed my experience with FWD? but nice try

never said the LS400 was a sports car... but I rather it be RWD than FWD like the RL at that time. A SC300 isn't so boring when you drop in a 2jzGTE in.

Even with a 2JZ and original Mini Cooper S is still more fun


The Si is a horrible example of FWD IMO (sorry for you Civic Si owners out there).

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Even with a 2JZ and original Mini Cooper S is still more fun


The Si is a horrible example of FWD IMO (sorry for you Civic Si owners out there).

lol i disagreed but thats ok.

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[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by gymratter

lol i disagreed but thats ok.

It's entirely possible that we just disagree on what makes a car fun. I like cars based on FEEL not the ability to do burnouts, drift and do donuts

[stugray]

Originally Posted by gymratter

lol i disagreed but thats ok.

Did you just pick the same car the the Top Gear guys picked as absolute worst car ever for driving pleasure?

Ahh Sorry it was the SC430.....