CSG and RCE tag-team suspension Q&A thread! Ask us anything!

[fooddude]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Reasonably long yes, but keep in mind that it will probably wear your pads and rotors faster than street pads.

If you're going a month, I'd recommend you swap pads, unless you can deal with dust or want the additional bite (like i do).

Ah...hmmm.. I think I can def deal with dust if I get black wheels lol. But yeah, I had hybrid porterfields on my old S13 and the dust was a bit much lol...but with black wheels it wouldn't be as annoying. Maybe I'll get a milder track pad for mixed DD/track use..like xp8 or club racers.

btw: I know 999 is the next level up from the club racers...but what's the next level down track pad, right under the club racer?


I just like the idea of just leaving the track pads on for DD use too...since I don't need to constantly re-bed all the time whenever swapping.

[wparsons]

The HC800+ from Project Mu is their hybrid pad.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by ZDan

I know. Which reinforces the point that track pads generally have less bite when cold, sometimes dangerously so. But you said:


This is just not true. Some race pads have next to no bite when cold If someone is looking for cold bite on the street, he shouldn't be looking at serious track/race pads.

I suppose I should clarify between sprint and endurance compounds. Endurance compounds have a narrow temp range, but we never recommend endurance pads to anyone who street drives their car.

All modern compounds have great cold bite; older compounds like the Hawk Blues, PFC01, etc have significantly less cold bite.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by fooddude

Ah...hmmm.. I think I can def deal with dust if I get black wheels lol. But yeah, I had hybrid porterfields on my old S13 and the dust was a bit much lol...but with black wheels it wouldn't be as annoying. Maybe I'll get a milder track pad for mixed DD/track use..like xp8 or club racers.

btw: I know 999 is the next level up from the club racers...but what's the next level down track pad, right under the club racer?


I just like the idea of just leaving the track pads on for DD use too...since I don't need to constantly re-bed all the time whenever swapping.

The "common" project mu pads are NS400, HC+800, and Club Racers. They actually have a lineup of about 30 compounds for consumers, but the rest are all pretty pricey. If you really want something between the HC+800 and Club Racers, we can discuss options, but they will likely cost the same as or more than Club Racers.

This is the graphic typically used; the Club Racer is between a Max 700i and 999.

[fooddude]

Originally Posted by wparsons

The HC800+ from Project Mu is their hybrid pad.

Yes, I heard of them. Interested in track-only pads though; not hybrid. Was wondering what the next level down was for a track pad under the Club Racers. I guess I'd just get Club Racers.

How good are the HC800+ on the track? Do they fade easily? Are they trackable (ie: an entire track day, every session, from morning to close)

[gramicci101]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I suppose I should clarify between sprint and endurance compounds. Endurance compounds have a narrow temp range, but we never recommend endurance pads to anyone who street drives their car.

Question regarding that. I would assume that people would choose endurance pads and brakes for such things as endurance racing. With only a narrow range of effective operating temperatures, how easy is it to stay in that range over the course of a 24 hour race? Or is that overlooked in favor of the pad being able to last 24 hours of hard usage?

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by fooddude

Yes, I heard of them. Interested in track-only pads though; not hybrid. Was wondering what the next level down was for a track pad under the Club Racers. I guess I'd just get Club Racers.

How good are the HC800+ on the track? Do they fade easily? Are they trackable (ie: an entire track day, every session, from morning to close)

That depends on how much grip you have, how good of a driver you are, and how long the sessions are. I don't get any serious fade with Ferodo DS2500's on a relatively tight track and Dunlop ZII's running 20 minute sessions, but I did get some melting/smearing in one of the sessions.

The all day part doesn't matter because you'll be off the track between sessions and everything will cool off.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by gramicci101

Question regarding that. I would assume that people would choose endurance pads and brakes for such things as endurance racing. With only a narrow range of effective operating temperatures, how easy is it to stay in that range over the course of a 24 hour race? Or is that overlooked in favor of the pad being able to last 24 hours of hard usage?

Remember, if you don't finish... you can't win.

Endurance racing isn't only about going fast; it's also about preserving the car and holding a steady pace, with a pit strategy.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by fooddude

Yes, I heard of them. Interested in track-only pads though; not hybrid. Was wondering what the next level down was for a track pad under the Club Racers. I guess I'd just get Club Racers.

How good are the HC800+ on the track? Do they fade easily? Are they trackable (ie: an entire track day, every session, from morning to close)

That really depends on you. I don't know how fast you are, or how much experience you have, or what your setup is.

I can tell you that HC+800 won't cut it for me, even on an otherwise stock FRS (minus brake fluid to go with the pads).

[gramicci101]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Remember, if you don't finish... you can't win.

Endurance racing isn't only about going fast; it's also about preserving the car and holding a steady pace, with a pit strategy.

Is that something CSG gets into? Participating in a 24 hour race would be an awesome experience.

edit: I just found this pic; since you're an S2K guy I figured you'd appreciate it. I found it here. There are other vehicle cutouts as well.

[TrogDor the Burninator]

Originally Posted by wparsons

That depends on how much grip you have, how good of a driver you are, and how long the sessions are. I don't get any serious fade with Ferodo DS2500's on a relatively tight track and Dunlop ZII's running 20 minute sessions, but I did get some melting/smearing in one of the sessions.

The all day part doesn't matter because you'll be off the track between sessions and everything will cool off.

This is my setup as well ...

I have the Ferodo DS2500s, and 255/35/18 ZIIs ...

I have been really impressed with the brake pads in my 20 to 30 minute sessions ...

I have only one occasion at the end of a 25 minute session on a very tight track where I felt my brakes get a bit ... weak shall we say ...

The DS2500s also are great on the street, from below freezing to 100 degree temps ... Kansas City, Missouri provides extreme temps and humidity and these pads have delivered ... on street and track ...

[fooddude]

DS2500 vs HC800+ for track?

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by gramicci101

Is that something CSG gets into? Participating in a 24 hour race would be an awesome experience.

I've been offered seats on teams, but have never accepted one due to the cost. Several of the seats win their respective classes at T25.

I should have taken those offers.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by fooddude

DS2500 vs HC800+ for track?

If I had to pick for me? HC+800.

If you're asking? You can probab'y get away with either.