Subaru Announces US Pricing for 2013 BRZ at $25,495

[brewksy]

Originally Posted by JohnnyR

LOL. 36k OTD here bucko with some options. You're also spreading FUD like no tomorrow. Understeer like no tomorrow? Yeah OK. That's why many people said it was the best handling AWD car released, until the GT-R, and surely the new 911 Turbo AWD. Even though there wasn't a proper shoot out yet, I'm going to say i'm pretty safe to say that it'll slaughter this "pure sporty car" that is the 86. Know your limitations and boundaries. Don't turn this into Clubsi, SRT4 forums, and other nonsense.

Someone's a fanboy, and it's not me.

Uh... The EVO and the STI are both understeering, overweight pigs. Just because the X beats the STI around some track a few percentage points faster doesn't mean it's god's gift to handling or steering. You have a DCT and Yaw control sensors that help an obese car put in faster laptimes for very little effort - but its still only "marginally" better than an STI which is cheaper and more utilitarian - neither of which are even close to competing with cars that are lighter and more nimble (Miata, BRZ, etc.).

TLDR? You can add lipstick to an EVO X or an STI...

[Linseal]

Originally Posted by Xlr8

Ok I saw this exchange on Car and Drive in the comments on the price announcement thread. I thought it was funny and had to share.

ZBL "Wow. Hard to believe all the complaints about hp per dollar I see on here. I guess the Lotus Elise is the worst, most overpriced car of all time."

Jay S. "I could have sworn it's the Acura NSX. $95,000 for 270hp?"

ZBL "Ah yes, another terrible car. Nothing but complaints from everyone who drove it. In fact, I recall many people saying that it was a huge waste of money when a Ram Air Firebird could be purchased for 1/3 the price."

Awesome hahahaha

[FLHC]

Originally Posted by JohnnyR

LOL. 36k OTD here bucko with some options. You're also spreading FUD like no tomorrow. Understeer like no tomorrow? Yeah OK. That's why many people said it was the best handling AWD car released, until the GT-R, and surely the new 911 Turbo AWD. Even though there wasn't a proper shoot out yet, I'm going to say i'm pretty safe to say that it'll slaughter this "pure sporty car" that is the 86. Know your limitations and boundaries. Don't turn this into Clubsi, SRT4 forums, and other nonsense.

Someone's a fanboy, and it's not me.

lollllllll dude you're totally jocking this car so hard. Why are you even on this forum if you're such a fanboy of a different car? Keep your evo.

[FLHC]

Originally Posted by Matador

Is it really? Not to take anything away from the great work (and parts) they've contributed to this car, but think of all Subarus past and explain how you can boldly make this claim.

Because subaru did all the engineering... Yeah, sure, you can look at toyota's past and see all these other legendary cars built by them, but they didn't build this car. They designed it, did some marketing stuff, and let subaru do all the engineering. Under that toyota hood lies the toyota fuel injection and nothing but subaru.

[Enemies]

Originally Posted by Matador

Never mind. I'd rather not take the thread OT again.

I don't believe this thread has been on-topic since somewhere around Page... 1.

Really, it only needed 1 post, the first one. Everything else was... "omg too high" or "omg that's what i thought it was going to be" or "omg scion fails" or "i want to post something stupid in this thread".

[bucket]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Who did you have a bad experience with? All of us got to choose our accessories, color and trim. :shrug:

Also just talked to the sales manager today to get an out the door price, and what he quoted sounded like MSRP.

[JohnnyR]

Originally Posted by FLHC

lollllllll dude you're totally jocking this car so hard. Why are you even on this forum if you're such a fanboy of a different car? Keep your evo.

Because I was interested in this car originally until I found out that it was going to be powered by a wheezing, anemic 200hp motor. The reviews turned out good, and it maybe a really good handler, especially if you put decent tires on it first off. It's not a bad looking car neither. So I was considering buying this for an everyday beater, especially because I have to do a lot of traveling with my job. Only thing that turned me off from that now is that somehow despite being incredibly weak and underpowered, it doesn't get as great MPG as I hoped. I won't use it at all on the autox or closed circuit club track days because it'll humiliate itself, and I'll just go all out on my Evo 8 or just get a Boss, don't know.

If you want to see fanboys, look no further than this forum, which is turning into clubsi, which in the end is not going to turn out to be a good place for info as it'll be buried with nonsense from people who don't know a thing like has happened there and other sites. I'm indifferent. I've been called a Mustang fanboy, a GT-R fanboy, a WRX fanboy, and an Evo fanboy here. Which is it then, as I'm confused? Or am I fanboy just because I mention when people are wrong and point out differences in thought that speaks of the holy 86 as not thy god of "sporty handling cars".

[Zgrinch]

Originally Posted by JohnnyR

Because I was interested in this car originally until I found out that it was going to be powered by a wheezing, anemic 200hp motor. The reviews turned out good, and it maybe a really good handler, especially if you put decent tires on it first off. It's not a bad looking car neither. So I was considering buying this for an everyday beater, especially because I have to do a lot of traveling with my job. Only thing that turned me off from that now is that somehow despite being incredibly weak and underpowered, it doesn't get as great MPG as I hoped. I won't use it at all on the autox or closed circuit club track days because it'll humiliate itself, and I'll just go all out on my Evo 8 or just get a Boss, don't know.

Any site dedicated to a single car is going to have it's fan boys.... I think the distinction here that is many of us are drawn by the cars true purpose, or "feel".
I think "go-kart" has been used in the past - fun and engaging to drive. Your first and last sentence makes it very clear the type of car you are looking for, so I would agree that you probably be happier with a Boss or EVO... The best part is the industry provides choices for everyone...including mindless fanboys, HP worshipers, and the rest of us.

[Draco-REX]

Originally Posted by JohnnyR

Because I was interested in this car originally until I found out that it was going to be powered by a wheezing, anemic 200hp motor. The reviews turned out good, and it maybe a really good handler, especially if you put decent tires on it first off. It's not a bad looking car neither. So I was considering buying this for an everyday beater, especially because I have to do a lot of traveling with my job. Only thing that turned me off from that now is that somehow despite being incredibly weak and underpowered, it doesn't get as great MPG as I hoped. I won't use it at all on the autox or closed circuit club track days because it'll humiliate itself, and I'll just go all out on my Evo 8 or just get a Boss, don't know.

If you want to see fanboys, look no further than this forum, which is turning into clubsi, which in the end is not going to turn out to be a good place for info as it'll be buried with nonsense from people who don't know a thing like has happened there and other sites. I'm indifferent. I've been called a Mustang fanboy, a GT-R fanboy, a WRX fanboy, and an Evo fanboy here. Which is it then, as I'm confused? Or am I fanboy just because I mention when people are wrong and point out differences in thought that speaks of the holy 86 as not thy god of "sporty handling cars".

If you think this car will embarrass itself at an AutoX, I don't think you've ever been to one. This car will do very well, and could even unseat the Miata once the chassis is developed more.

Looking at this post here, I think the BRZ is not the car for you. You clearly want a car that kicks you from behind with power. That's not what the BRZ is about and as you have pointed out, there's plenty of other options out there that will give you that feeling. In fact, what you want is not a traditional sportscar at all. And if you keep looking for one, you will be ever disappointed.

I would, however, recommend you test drive a BRZ if you get the chance. If you are comparing it to the WRX/STI, Evo, and GTR, I think you will be surprised by the handling characteristics of the BRZ. I'm sure it won't sway you, but if your experience is limited to nose-heavy AWD cars, I think you should experience what a well balanced RWD car can feel like.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by bucket

Also just talked to the sales manager today to get an out the door price, and what he quoted sounded like MSRP.

Yeah as far as I know they are doing msrp. You talk to Sean or Paul?

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by JohnnyR

Because I was interested in this car originally until I found out that it was going to be powered by a wheezing, anemic 200hp motor. The reviews turned out good, and it maybe a really good handler, especially if you put decent tires on it first off. It's not a bad looking car neither. So I was considering buying this for an everyday beater, especially because I have to do a lot of traveling with my job. Only thing that turned me off from that now is that somehow despite being incredibly weak and underpowered, it doesn't get as great MPG as I hoped. I won't use it at all on the autox or closed circuit club track days because it'll humiliate itself, and I'll just go all out on my Evo 8 or just get a Boss, don't know.

If you want to see fanboys, look no further than this forum, which is turning into clubsi, which in the end is not going to turn out to be a good place for info as it'll be buried with nonsense from people who don't know a thing like has happened there and other sites. I'm indifferent. I've been called a Mustang fanboy, a GT-R fanboy, a WRX fanboy, and an Evo fanboy here. Which is it then, as I'm confused? Or am I fanboy just because I mention when people are wrong and point out differences in thought that speaks of the holy 86 as not thy god of "sporty handling cars".

Ok then why are you still here? I agree partly about clubsi but not for the reasons you state.

[brewksy]

Originally Posted by JohnnyR

I won't use it at all on the autox or closed circuit club track days because it'll humiliate itself, and I'll just go all out on my Evo 8 or just get a Boss, don't know.

See, this is why someone gets called a "fanboi" - you take a comparison car and make idiotic statements like this, with no help from us. Those cars are way more expensive than the BRZ, and yet you're comparing them as equals. This is where I retort with something equally dorkish like: "If I wanted a track car like a Boss or Evo I'd just buy a Zonda."

There is a fanboi here, and it's not the guys having the rational discussion...

[Turbowned]

It will be great when this forum consists of BRZ/FR-S owners and not people whining about how it's too slow/expensive/insertcomplainthere, comparing a car they've never driven to other cars. Just a couple more months!!

[MrBonus]

Originally Posted by JohnnyR

Because I was interested in this car originally until I found out that it was going to be powered by a wheezing, anemic 200hp motor. The reviews turned out good, and it maybe a really good handler, especially if you put decent tires on it first off. It's not a bad looking car neither. So I was considering buying this for an everyday beater, especially because I have to do a lot of traveling with my job. Only thing that turned me off from that now is that somehow despite being incredibly weak and underpowered, it doesn't get as great MPG as I hoped. I won't use it at all on the autox or closed circuit club track days because it'll humiliate itself, and I'll just go all out on my Evo 8 or just get a Boss, don't know.

If you want to see fanboys, look no further than this forum, which is turning into clubsi, which in the end is not going to turn out to be a good place for info as it'll be buried with nonsense from people who don't know a thing like has happened there and other sites. I'm indifferent. I've been called a Mustang fanboy, a GT-R fanboy, a WRX fanboy, and an Evo fanboy here. Which is it then, as I'm confused? Or am I fanboy just because I mention when people are wrong and point out differences in thought that speaks of the holy 86 as not thy god of "sporty handling cars".

Funny, I own a Boss, have owned an VIII and X, and may be getting a BRZ as my weekend toy. Track days are about learning and becoming a better driver, not showing up with the fastest car.

The sad fact about the Evo is that it's ultimately not a driver's car, it's a car built around technology and aids to go faster. The BRZ and cars of its ilk are built around the driver, allowing for momentum drivers to prosper rather than simply using the throttle as a great equalizer.

Ultimately, I am a firm believer that horsepower is a crutch and does little to improve the experience of driving. Steering feel, chassis balance, and tactility really define how a car drives.