Subaru Announces US Pricing for 2013 BRZ at $25,495

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by 86fanatic

Well I'm coming from Porsche so 700 for maintenance in two years is not out of the question.

Even if we limit this to only synthetic oil changes, that could easily reach 300-400 dollars in costs over 2 years. Anyway, the point is that is a non-trivial amount of money of value added to the Scion.

For 3 oil changes? This isn't a dry sump 911

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Spaceywilly

It costs me about $20 and half an hour to do an oil change myself. If you pay $2000 in maintenance on your brand new car in the first 3 years you have yourself a lemon.

Might be a little more than $20 just cause it will require the 0w-20 oil. Unless you have a hook up that can get 6 qt of that for a good price. Please let me know.

[86fanatic]

Originally Posted by blu_

Alcantara is a trademarked material. It actually feels a bit sticky/grippy when you touch it and is used in sports cars for a reason. Its durable, not slippery, looks upscale and I haven't met many people complaining about having Alcantara in their cars.

The premium seats cloth looks like a similar material to the newer WRX seats and should be good at repelling stains.

Whether or not you like any of these is your own opinion. At least from my own experience bolstering and seating position matter more than seating material when it comes to keeping you in your seat during spirited driving.

Alcantara is usually pretty good but the discussion was around Premium seats which people are saying is "premium cloth". From the pictures it looks quite a bit more "slippery" then the "basic cloth" of the Scion.

Unfortunately you can't get Alcantara seats without leather bolsters so it's also not ideal for me at least. Leather bolsters in my opinion are actually the worst since those wear out the fastest.

[86fanatic]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

He was saying $700, which is high especially since free maint only covers the required maintenance.

That means 7.5k, 15k and 22.5k oil changes. Tire rotation may be spec at 15k, who knows, and the "multi point inspection" aka "yeah it looks fine". Oh and if it's a Scion, every maint time includes a free check of the drivers floor mat installation. So maybe $200 worth?

Scion roadside is 2 years, Subaru is 3.

Well I never said 700 that was actually just put into my mouth, I said the difference could end up being closer to 2000 instead of the 1300 difference on paper that the cars are. And yes, 4 oil changes for 70 dollars = 300$. So 1300+300 = 1600 - which is "closer to 2000".

That was my reasoning. Anyway, it's a non-trivial amount of money that I think could be factored in to the purchasing decision.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Might be a little more than $20 just cause it will require the 0w-20 oil. Unless you have a hook up that can get 6 qt of that for a good price. Please let me know.

Buy 50 gallon drums like Toyota does

[tachi1247]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

The car will require 5.8 qt of oil. So will have to buy 6 qt of the 0w-20 oil, will probably run around $7-8/ qt. Depending on your favorite oil brand you could end up spending $50 on just the oil (unless you have a connection/discount from somewhere). Filter will probably be around $5-10.

That is a crazy amount of oil for a 2 L engine. I've seen V8 engines that use that much. Never seen a 2L engine that takes over 4 qts.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by 86fanatic

Well I never said 700 that was actually just put into my mouth, I said the difference could end up being closer to 2000 instead of the 1300 difference on paper that the cars are. And yes, 4 oil changes for 70 dollars = 300$. So 1300+300 = 1600 - which is "closer to 2000".

That was my reasoning. Anyway, it's a non-trivial amount of money that I think could be factored in to the purchasing decision.

It's three changes actually. $70 seems high for a synth change. I've seen Ford barely charge more than that for Diesels which are synth and a lot more oil. I'd bet Scion is more like 50-60 for a synth change, or 30 for dino oil.

At best 1 tire rotation, so add 50 more.. so you might be at 230. $1,530 is no where near $2,000, and even $1,600 is closer to $1,300 than it is to $2,000. We could just say "around 1500-1600"..

Of course my car would never see the dealer anyways, even for free maintenance.

[tripjammer]

I don't know. I have to see both cars in person, I know the headlights look better in the BRZ vs the FR-S, but the GT86 HIDS to me look better than the BRZ HIDS. The Scion FR-S just needs the HIDS and bespoke to compete to the BRZ premium. Its not really a good deal at only $1300 cheaper, since you are losing a lot.

Come on the BRZ has a real Navigation system and HIDS.

I still think the FR-S front end looks better, but the cheap halogen headlights kill it...it really needs HIDS to set it off as a $25k car. Even the new mustang comes standard with HIDS for $22k.

I am ok with the FR-S interior. At first I thought it was cheap, but it is really the same as the BRZ premium, except I like the seat material on the FR-S better.

Scion could have done this...
Make Bespoke and HIDS standard

Its $25k car why are they scrimping on red stitching on the handbrake? Why are they scrimping on not having a trunk cover?
I know some people hate push start, but it should have been included in a $25k car since Scion is monospec. They could have added it to the manual AC. Even a $22k Prius C has push start.

I don't know...I will see both in person and make my decision. I still think the FR-S is going to be the lighter and faster car. Lets hope Scion does not gouge us on Bespoke pricing. Make it like $200 and I am in.

I wonder what they will do in the first release series?

I have a feeling Scion FR-S are going to be sitting on the lots after the hype wears off...

[86fanatic]

Considering all the people with WRX and STIs that frequent the forum they could chime in with some actual dealer costs for synthetic oil changes.

There are also cabin filters, air filters, etc.

All the maintenance is listed in the public Subaru owner's manual. Should be pretty easy to look it up and do some estimates.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by tachi1247

That is a crazy amount of oil for a 2 L engine. I've seen V8 engines that use that much. Never seen a 2L engine that takes over 4 qts.

All of my hondas are ~5qts. Not 5.8, but 5.x isn't that much. S2000s are 5.1.

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

It's three changes actually. $70 seems high for a synth change. I've seen Ford barely charge more than that for Diesels which are synth and a lot more oil. I'd bet Scion is more like 50-60 for a synth change, or 30 for dino oil.

At best 1 tire rotation, so add 50 more.. so you might be at 230. $1,530 is no where near $2,000, and even $1,600 is closer to $1,300 than it is to $2,000.

Full synth changes are $70 at most oil change places. Regular oil change is like $40. Sure its cheaper to do it yourself, but it is a hassle for some people.

But yeah the BRZ is the better deal, actually I would go full BRZ limited..

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

I don't know...I will see both in person and make my decision. I still think the FR-S is going to be the lighter and faster car. Lets hope Scion does not gouge us on Bespoke pricing. Make it like $200 and I am in.

Faster? Slightly since it weighs less, but it won't be significant. The faster driver would win regardless of which Zx6 they decided on.

And BeSpoke won't be $200, no where near it. I'd bet ~900 like the current top premium system in the TC since IIRC it replaces that system.

[Geordon]

Originally Posted by blu_

I think most people have an affinity to "their brand" or however you want to put it. Especially car enthusiasts, even if it is irrational.

I haven't owned a Subaru, Toyota, Scion, or any variation thereof, but, what really interested me in the BRZ was that it was from the Subaru stable, as I wanted to consider Subaru for my next car, but had no desire to get anything other than a coupe. I might miss the AWD, but would rather give RWD a shot over FWD. So, put me in the "irrational" badge-makes-a-difference-to-me camp. Just like I believe an Audi is more valuable to me than a VW (assuming I am getting a German-built Audi, and not a Mexico-built VW).

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

Full synth changes are $70 at most oil change places. Regular oil change is like $40. Sure its cheaper to do it yourself, but it is a hassle for some people.

But yeah the BRZ is the better deal, actually I would go full BRZ limited..

OK we'll go with $30. And I'll give ya $90 for the tire rotation.

Still only at $300. And still closer to $1,300 than his $2,000.

We can probably agree on $1,600 more both at full MSRP so it only applies for the first 6 months or so after release.. than the BRZ at VIP will be invoice or less.

And the BRZ includes a third year of roadside assistance, which may save you more than that $300 if you need it anyways.