If Subaru, Then Scion

[tachi1247]

Originally Posted by Marrk

While I hate to interrupt this very stimulating, not to say erection-inducing, discussion of horsepower (Who would have thought? A discussion of horsepower on this forum? I'm shocked.), I forgot to add that the lightweight version will have a normally aspirated 250 hp version of the base BRZ/FR-S engine. My interest is in an OEM lightweight. If it comes with 50 more hp, it should be massively competitive in the sportscar market.

This "lightweight" version is all hype. Unles they are going to sell a race preped version which removes the back seats, sound deadening, carpet, spare, etc it will be very difficult to remove more than ~120lb from the car and still keep the radio, AC, as well as a reasonable cost. No one will pay 40k for a brz which is what it would cost to go to CF, aluminum, & forged parts to get a serious weight reduction from an already ligh car.

If I had to bet money on something, I would wager we see a 50-70 hp and torque jump and a 0-50 lb weight reduction.

[GrimmSpeed]

Originally Posted by tachi1247

This "lightweight" version is all hype. Unles they are going to sell a race preped version which removes the back seats, sound deadening, carpet, spare, etc it will be very difficult to remove more than ~120lb from the car and still keep the radio, AC, as well as a reasonable cost. No one will pay 40k for a brz which is what it would cost to go to CF, aluminum, & forged parts to get a serious weight reduction from an already ligh car.

If I had to bet money on something, I would wager we see a 50-70 hp and torque jump and a 0-50 lb weight reduction.

I dont know if i'd say it is totally all hype....I could see ultra lightweight seats being part of the puzzle. Those oem seats with the airbags are freakin heavy. That along with lighter wheels would be pretty easy to do for little $. Also i'm sure the SPT exhaust would be much lighter as well.

Justin

[poormans_LFA]

Originally Posted by GrimmSpeed

I dont know if i'd say it is totally all hype....I could see ultra lightweight seats being part of the puzzle. Those oem seats with the airbags are freakin heavy. That along with lighter wheels would be pretty easy to do for little $. Also i'm sure the SPT exhaust would be much lighter as well.

Justin

SPT....I guess we won't see what they have in store upon launch...SEMA '12??

[Marrk]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

@Marrk You are stating rumor as fact.

There has been discussion on getting 250 n/a hp here:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4504

Captain, thank you for posting this. This is the article that I was referring to. My apologies to all if I started an unwarranted new thread, or if my thread is old news.

Still, my question had to do with whether or not Scion would come out with a similar lightweight 250 hp NA car, since both the FR-S and the BRZ are made on the same line.

Again, apologies to all.

[poormans_LFA]

Originally Posted by Marrk

Captain, thank you for posting this. This is the article that I was referring to. My apologies to all if I started an unwarranted new thread, or if my thread is old news.

Still, my question had to do with whether or not Scion would come out with a similar lightweight 250 hp NA car, since both the FR-S and the BRZ are made on the same line.

Again, apologies to all.

don't apologize. it's a forum. it happens. :happy0180:

[tachi1247]

Originally Posted by GrimmSpeed

I dont know if i'd say it is totally all hype....I could see ultra lightweight seats being part of the puzzle. Those oem seats with the airbags are freakin heavy. That along with lighter wheels would be pretty easy to do for little $. Also i'm sure the SPT exhaust would be much lighter as well.

Justin

might have been a slight exaggeration, but my point is we arent going to see a car with 20 more HP and a 400lb weight reduction that is going to keep up with a 370z or similar car. There isn't enough excess weight on this car to get a drastic reduction.